--- In [email protected], Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > ... <delete stuff> ... ... I wonder how many of these > practitioners would be practicing their arts if they > were independently wealthy and didn't need to ply their > esoteric trade to make ends meet - I have known a bunch > of them - Santa Fe used to be filled with them
Just curious, but did you do time in Santa Fe, too? I lived there literally the longest I have ever lived in any one location in my life, six years, just before I moved to Europe. > ________________________________ > From: PaliGap <compost1uk@...> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:33 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters, Angels and Stuff > > > Â > > > So you got to chill out with the ascended masters after > just a few years of TM? Cool! > > I wonder what this chap would have given for a little > rap with the Archangel Raphael? (Who he? Ed.) > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stylites > > --- In [email protected], "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > So here are my thoughts on Ascended Masters, angels, Archangels and avatars > > here on earth. > > > > When I was at the tail end of my time at MIU, a former TM teacher named Bob > > Fickes came to Fairfield and was teaching channeling classes and doing > > private readings. Feeling it might be of some value, I had a reading and > > most of it was over my head, being oriented in a very esoteric fashion. > > > > It was my first introduction to channeling. Through one thing and another, > > I decided to try channeling myself â" at first nothing happened then I had > > an experience with the Archangel Raphael â" the energy was unbelievably > > blissful, and I continued to "channel" just to feel the energy and for no > > other reason. > > > > After a couple friends found out I was channeling they asked me to do > > readings for them. At first I refused, then I gave in. One thing led to > > another and I felt that, the energy being what it was deep and blissful > > most of the time, and the information coming through seemed pretty credible > > on a personal level, that it was my calling to channel the Ascended > > Masters, angels and Archangels. > > > > I never, in 25 years of channeling made very much money at it, but I did it > > anyway. So after 25 years of channeling, here are my thoughts and beliefs > > on these matters. > > > > In terms of Energy, I have enjoyed much of the experiences I have had. > > Feedback from those who have come to me for readings have been mostly > > positive. Having done sessions for friends, I have seen that sometimes the > > information is strikingly accurate, and sometimes not accurate at all. > > > > A lot of time the channel will excuse this by saying that as the karmic > > energy or circumstances change and as we make different choices, the events > > that may manifest will change accordingly. I won't argue with that, it may > > be true. > > > > There is also the phenomenon of mixing, meaning that the mind and ego of > > the channel mixes some of its own beliefs into the energy of the Masters as > > it comes through as information and that alters the particulars of the > > information. > > > > On a personal note over the years I found that I still liked the experience > > of channeling for the energy. It was a way of experiencing a really > > expanded Divine Essence. > > > > And the real effect for the person or people (in the case of a group > > channeling) was to re-connect them more to their own Divine Self more fully > > through the Energy connection of what we call the Ascended Masters, angels > > and Archangels. > > > > This may be one of the reasons that I never made that much money because I > > foind over the years that people seem to be drawn to those channels that > > channel lots and lots of information. > > > > There are all kinds of channels. Some like myself channel a wide variety of > > Beings of Light â" Mother Mary, Kwan Yin, Jesus, Buddha, the various > > Archangels like Michael and Raphael, various angels, Krishna and Shiva and > > so on. > > > > Some seem to specialize and just channel one or two Beings like a channel > > for the Archangel Michael or Maitreya â" yep there have been those who > > channel Maitreya. > > > > When I started channeling there weren't that many people who were doing it, > > but the number of channels has exploded â" there are all kinds of channels > > these days and most of them channel lots and lots of information. Some of > > it seems trivial like the channels to tell us about the yetis and such > > things as that. > > > > Some are all about the Galactics (meaning the extra-terrestrials) who are > > going to come down and save us all with their technology and greater > > knowledge. Some are the blessings and knowledge coming from the Archangels. > > Some of the info has to do with what we should be doing now, how to open > > the chakras, or what kind of energy is coming up collectively to be healed. > > > > A lot of it has been all about the past what all happened in Atlantis, what > > all happened in Lemuria or other ancient civilizations that have left no > > record that archaeologists have found. And a lot of the info is all about > > what all is going to happen when the earth goes into "ascension". > > > > A heck of a lot of it is oriented around what is gonna happen. I am not > > saying any of this is bad, and I suppose that if people like it, if it > > makes them feel good then what's the harm? > > > > You might spend the same amount of time watching football or sitting around > > drinking liquor with your friends â" the channeled stuff doesn't seem any > > more harmful than that. > > > > But after 25 years it seems like a lot of people are waiting for the > > Masters to come do us some good. As I said, a lot of the info revolves > > around what is gone happen and all the great things that are coming. > > > > Nothing wrong with being positive and if people like to channel or get > > readings, participate in seminars or workshops or group healings because > > they make them feel good and maybe even help them make some progress in > > life, all the better. > > > > But I must say as a channel myself, I have gotten tired of listening to how > > great things are gonna be when some fabulous alignment of the planets > > happens or when some real shore nuff good esoteric thing that is happening > > in the Cosmos gets here on earth and so on. If the Masters really exist, I > > would like to know why they haven't been or greater assistance to us here > > on earth? > > > > According to much of what is being channeled we are all supposedly Masters > > in our own right and have taken incarnation at this time to help clear the > > earth of all the crappy karma it is currently dealing with through dealing > > with our own ancestral karma of the body, thereby purifying the family > > karma and by extension the ethnic and national karma of our families. > > > > Some say that since humans created the karma we have to deal with it > > ourselves which I can understand but it seems to me the Masters are a > > little too hands off. How many of us who are parents in this lifetime would > > stand by and watch our kids screw up when we could be of material > > assistance to help them out? > > > > Many would say that since it is our karma, the Masters cannot interfere, > > but is that credible? If anyone who is a parent sees their children > > suffering, do you stand by and allow them to take care of themselves? If > > your child falls down and scrapes their leg and cries do you just stand > > there and tell them "You know where the Neosporin and the band aids are." > > > > No, any decent parent goes and assists the child. The same holds true when > > a parent sees a child who is going to hurt themselves in some way â" yeah > > I know the idea that experience teaches best and all that, but how does > > this hands off experience square with the idea that we have a loving > > Mother/Father God who along with their manifestations (the angels, > > Archangels and Ascended Masters) take care of us and help us all we need? > > > > In fact it does not square. If God were really there with this grand divine > > plan to enlighten the earth, it seems to me it would be more helpful, more > > intelligently designed. > > > > We have been giving the Ascended Masters a free pass in a number of ways, > > the first being the idea that they are so enlightened, so beyond human > > experience that they are not really cognizant of what we experience here on > > earth, This only makes sense if we believe that we are an experiment the > > Masters check on from time to time but are totally aloof from in their > > hearts. (Which I don't believe) > > > > Knowing the Energy of angels as I do I find this to be complete baloney. If > > it were true, channeling would not exist on the earth. What good would it > > do to channel the energy of a Being that could not comprehend the things we > > experience here on earth? In fact the Masters if they do exist understand > > completely what we experience here â" how else can they give us the advice > > that comes through channels? > > > > We also give them a free pass by believing that the experiences we have are > > karma, our creation and we have to work it out for ourselves â" still > > doesn't cut it as far as I am concerned due to the belief that the Father, > > can and should give greater assistance. Why have they not come to earth in > > a tangible form to help alleviate the suffering and give clearer guidance > > to us instead of allowing us to flounder half or three quarters blind all > > the time? > > > > The real question becomes do the Ascended Masters, Archangels and angels > > have an existence that is not dependent on the collective awareness of > > humanity? > > > > I believe that Buddha, Jesus, Zoroaster, Confucius and Lao Tzu were actual > > historical personages who lived on earth and who may have had such a > > connection to the Universal Mind such that they appeared as Masters to > > everyone else. > > > > If we look back in history the very first mention of Divine Beings is from > > Zoroaster who believed that the Principle of God manifests as 7 Divine > > beings known as Amesha Spentas who were in charge of certain aspects of > > God's creation although some scholars believe that Zoroaster understood > > them to be aspects of God rather than as separate beings created by God. > > Many scholars believe that belief in the Amesa Spentas is the origin of the > > Hebrew belief in Archangels which they acquired during their time of > > captivity in Babylon. > > > > Thus the 7 archangels began as aspects of God in Zoroastrianism and became > > translated by the Jews (particularly during the Rabinnic period), Muslims > > and later Christians as Archangels. Certain Christian writers especially > > one known as Pseudo-Dionysus in the 5th Century made a pretty detailed list > > of the hierarchies of angels and Archangels. > > > > The Ascended Masters other than Confuscious, Lao Tsu, Buddha and Jesus (and > > some of the Gods and Goddesses from history that are now considered > > Masters) were not known until the late 1890's when Helena Balvatsky and > > Alice Bailey and others began to write and speak about them. > > > > It began with Blavatsky's assertion that her teachers had been flesh and > > blood humans who were Mahatmas or great souls, one of whom she said was El > > Morya. Annie Besant, C.W. Leadbeater and others of the Theosophical Society > > expanded the idea of and list of Masters. This seminal work was expanded > > further by Edna and Guy Ballard, Baird Spaulding and later Elizabeth and > > Mark Prophet and others in the 1930's and 40's, usually with a monetary and > > egoic motive behind the teachings. > > > > My question is: if these Masters had and have an existence independent of > > the human race and human consciousness and have been associated with > > mankind since the beginning of earth, where were they till the 1860's which > > is when Blavatsky claimed they were teaching her? If they have been around > > all this time why do we have no records of them from any ancient or > > relatively recent civilizations and please don't tell me it is because they > > chose to hide their existence till the Theosophical society was formed. > > > > I cannot deny the Energy I feel when I channel the Masters and Archangels > > particularly Buddha. Buddha for me is the essence of the Unmanifest made > > manifest, his Energy is the Essence of Pure Awareness. > > > > I can believe that the Ascended Masters and Archangels are somehow tied to > > the collective consciousness of humanity, but I cannot answer the question > > of whether or not they existed before humans did. I am willing to concede > > that since the Masters and Archangels are expressions of certain Archetypal > > energy, that energy would possibly have existed before humanity ever > > existed. > > > > The next question is how should humans feel about and interact with the > > energies of these Beings. I believe the most empowering way of interaction > > is to think of them as aspects of our own Infinite Being, and channeling is > > a means of accessing various aspects of our Infinite Being. > > > > I admit I like the perspective of Richard Bartlett who teaches Matrix > > Energetics. He says he has unseen guides and Masters who give him guidance > > and information and he listens to them and acts on what they tell him â" > > at the same time he says that he hallucinates them. That is his term for > > the idea that we all are aspects of consciousness, and that we hallucinate > > or self create these aspects of our own Divine Being in order to have a way > > and a reason to access our power and believe in what we are dong and > > experiencing when it is an experience beyond what we are taught in school > > and church. > > > > I like his belief. So I don't know the answer to any of this stuff. I am > > just trying to live in this body and make some sense of the world every > > day. As to the Ascended Masters and the idea that some are slipping around > > here doing all sorts of great things in a hidden or unseen way, what the > > hell for? People can say anything, but for me I only know that when I hear > > see or read about some great thing that is gonna take place and how the > > Masters are doing all this great stuff, > > > > I am willing to believe it, willing mind you, and I will believe it when I > > see it, but I am not holding my breath. > > >
