--- In [email protected], Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote: > > Not really, I visited there and got hooked up with a woman (non-TM'er) > > I was there for about a month and then left (she said she > was really enjoying our connection but didn't want a committed > relationship - so since I did, I went to Boulder, CO and met > someone there whereupon the Santa Fe lady got ticked off and > felt I had "cheated" on her and done her dirty - this was > upon my return to Santa Fe a couple months later and was so > surprised. I could hardly respond except to splutter "Goddamn! > You were the one who said you wanted no commitment and you > were gonna see other people!"
LOL. I can identify. Santa Fe was *full* of Women With Baggage. *Not* to be sexist -- it was full of Men With Baggage, too. What I sussed out from having been captured by the place on early visits there and thinking, "Wow... the *vibe* of this place...I'll bet I could really change there" was that the reality was more along the lines of "I could move here and take my bloody time about changing." There was a kind of "rut" to Santa Fe that allowed people to hand onto their baggage far longer than they needed to. > But all told I spent maybe 2 months there off and on - at > the time I was newly into all the esoteric stuff and was > seeing everywhere. It actually was a kinda cool place, once you figured out how to avoid the New Age crowd and hang with the real locals. Very democratic place -- "who" you were or thought you were back where you came from didn't matter, how much money you had didn't matter, and whatever bullshit PR you pushed out about yourself didn't matter. At the bar, your only value was whether you could keep up your end of the conversation. I like that in a place. > ________________________________ > From: turquoiseb <[email protected]> > To: [email protected] > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 2:52 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters, Angels and Stuff > > >  > --- In [email protected], Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > ... <delete stuff> ... ... I wonder how many of these > > practitioners would be practicing their arts if they > > were independently wealthy and didn't need to ply their > > esoteric trade to make ends meet - I have known a bunch > > of them - Santa Fe used to be filled with them > > Just curious, but did you do time in Santa Fe, too? > > I lived there literally the longest I have ever lived > in any one location in my life, six years, just before > I moved to Europe. > > > ________________________________ > > From: PaliGap <compost1uk@> > > To: [email protected] > > Sent: Monday, December 3, 2012 1:33 PM > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Masters, Angels and Stuff > > > > > > à> > > > > > So you got to chill out with the ascended masters after > > just a few years of TM? Cool! > > > > I wonder what this chap would have given for a little > > rap with the Archangel Raphael? (Who he? Ed.) > > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simeon_Stylites > > > > --- In [email protected], "mjackson74" <mjackson74@> wrote: > > > > > > So here are my thoughts on Ascended Masters, angels, Archangels and > > > avatars here on earth. > > > > > > When I was at the tail end of my time at MIU, a former TM teacher named > > > Bob Fickes came to Fairfield and was teaching channeling classes and > > > doing private readings. Feeling it might be of some value, I had a > > > reading and most of it was over my head, being oriented in a very > > > esoteric fashion. > > > > > > It was my first introduction to channeling. Through one thing and > > > another, I decided to try channeling myself ââ¬" at first nothing > > > happened then I had an experience with the Archangel Raphael ââ¬" the > > > energy was unbelievably blissful, and I continued to "channel" just to > > > feel the energy and for no other reason. > > > > > > After a couple friends found out I was channeling they asked me to do > > > readings for them. At first I refused, then I gave in. One thing led to > > > another and I felt that, the energy being what it was deep and blissful > > > most of the time, and the information coming through seemed pretty > > > credible on a personal level, that it was my calling to channel the > > > Ascended Masters, angels and Archangels. > > > > > > I never, in 25 years of channeling made very much money at it, but I did > > > it anyway. So after 25 years of channeling, here are my thoughts and > > > beliefs on these matters. > > > > > > In terms of Energy, I have enjoyed much of the experiences I have had. > > > Feedback from those who have come to me for readings have been mostly > > > positive. Having done sessions for friends, I have seen that sometimes > > > the information is strikingly accurate, and sometimes not accurate at > > > all. > > > > > > A lot of time the channel will excuse this by saying that as the karmic > > > energy or circumstances change and as we make different choices, the > > > events that may manifest will change accordingly. I won't argue with > > > that, it may be true. > > > > > > There is also the phenomenon of mixing, meaning that the mind and ego of > > > the channel mixes some of its own beliefs into the energy of the Masters > > > as it comes through as information and that alters the particulars of the > > > information. > > > > > > On a personal note over the years I found that I still liked the > > > experience of channeling for the energy. It was a way of experiencing a > > > really expanded Divine Essence. > > > > > > And the real effect for the person or people (in the case of a group > > > channeling) was to re-connect them more to their own Divine Self more > > > fully through the Energy connection of what we call the Ascended Masters, > > > angels and Archangels. > > > > > > This may be one of the reasons that I never made that much money because > > > I foind over the years that people seem to be drawn to those channels > > > that channel lots and lots of information. > > > > > > There are all kinds of channels. Some like myself channel a wide variety > > > of Beings of Light ââ¬" Mother Mary, Kwan Yin, Jesus, Buddha, the > > > various Archangels like Michael and Raphael, various angels, Krishna and > > > Shiva and so on. > > > > > > Some seem to specialize and just channel one or two Beings like a channel > > > for the Archangel Michael or Maitreya ââ¬" yep there have been those > > > who channel Maitreya. > > > > > > When I started channeling there weren't that many people who were doing > > > it, but the number of channels has exploded ââ¬" there are all kinds of > > > channels these days and most of them channel lots and lots of > > > information. Some of it seems trivial like the channels to tell us about > > > the yetis and such things as that. > > > > > > Some are all about the Galactics (meaning the extra-terrestrials) who are > > > going to come down and save us all with their technology and greater > > > knowledge. Some are the blessings and knowledge coming from the > > > Archangels. Some of the info has to do with what we should be doing now, > > > how to open the chakras, or what kind of energy is coming up collectively > > > to be healed. > > > > > > A lot of it has been all about the past what all happened in Atlantis, > > > what all happened in Lemuria or other ancient civilizations that have > > > left no record that archaeologists have found. And a lot of the info is > > > all about what all is going to happen when the earth goes into > > > "ascension". > > > > > > A heck of a lot of it is oriented around what is gonna happen. I am not > > > saying any of this is bad, and I suppose that if people like it, if it > > > makes them feel good then what's the harm? > > > > > > You might spend the same amount of time watching football or sitting > > > around drinking liquor with your friends ââ¬" the channeled stuff > > > doesn't seem any more harmful than that. > > > > > > But after 25 years it seems like a lot of people are waiting for the > > > Masters to come do us some good. As I said, a lot of the info revolves > > > around what is gone happen and all the great things that are coming. > > > > > > Nothing wrong with being positive and if people like to channel or get > > > readings, participate in seminars or workshops or group healings because > > > they make them feel good and maybe even help them make some progress in > > > life, all the better. > > > > > > But I must say as a channel myself, I have gotten tired of listening to > > > how great things are gonna be when some fabulous alignment of the planets > > > happens or when some real shore nuff good esoteric thing that is > > > happening in the Cosmos gets here on earth and so on. If the Masters > > > really exist, I would like to know why they haven't been or greater > > > assistance to us here on earth? > > > > > > According to much of what is being channeled we are all supposedly > > > Masters in our own right and have taken incarnation at this time to help > > > clear the earth of all the crappy karma it is currently dealing with > > > through dealing with our own ancestral karma of the body, thereby > > > purifying the family karma and by extension the ethnic and national karma > > > of our families. > > > > > > Some say that since humans created the karma we have to deal with it > > > ourselves which I can understand but it seems to me the Masters are a > > > little too hands off. How many of us who are parents in this lifetime > > > would stand by and watch our kids screw up when we could be of material > > > assistance to help them out? > > > > > > Many would say that since it is our karma, the Masters cannot interfere, > > > but is that credible? If anyone who is a parent sees their children > > > suffering, do you stand by and allow them to take care of themselves? If > > > your child falls down and scrapes their leg and cries do you just stand > > > there and tell them "You know where the Neosporin and the band aids are." > > > > > > No, any decent parent goes and assists the child. The same holds true > > > when a parent sees a child who is going to hurt themselves in some way > > > ââ¬" yeah I know the idea that experience teaches best and all that, > > > but how does this hands off experience square with the idea that we have > > > a loving Mother/Father God who along with their manifestations (the > > > angels, Archangels and Ascended Masters) take care of us and help us all > > > we need? > > > > > > In fact it does not square. If God were really there with this grand > > > divine plan to enlighten the earth, it seems to me it would be more > > > helpful, more intelligently designed. > > > > > > We have been giving the Ascended Masters a free pass in a number of ways, > > > the first being the idea that they are so enlightened, so beyond human > > > experience that they are not really cognizant of what we experience here > > > on earth, This only makes sense if we believe that we are an experiment > > > the Masters check on from time to time but are totally aloof from in > > > their hearts. (Which I don't believe) > > > > > > Knowing the Energy of angels as I do I find this to be complete baloney. > > > If it were true, channeling would not exist on the earth. What good would > > > it do to channel the energy of a Being that could not comprehend the > > > things we experience here on earth? In fact the Masters if they do exist > > > understand completely what we experience here ââ¬" how else can they > > > give us the advice that comes through channels? > > > > > > We also give them a free pass by believing that the experiences we have > > > are karma, our creation and we have to work it out for ourselves ââ¬" > > > still doesn't cut it as far as I am concerned due to the belief that the > > > Father, can and should give greater assistance. Why have they not come to > > > earth in a tangible form to help alleviate the suffering and give clearer > > > guidance to us instead of allowing us to flounder half or three quarters > > > blind all the time? > > > > > > The real question becomes do the Ascended Masters, Archangels and angels > > > have an existence that is not dependent on the collective awareness of > > > humanity? > > > > > > I believe that Buddha, Jesus, Zoroaster, Confucius and Lao Tzu were > > > actual historical personages who lived on earth and who may have had such > > > a connection to the Universal Mind such that they appeared as Masters to > > > everyone else. > > > > > > If we look back in history the very first mention of Divine Beings is > > > from Zoroaster who believed that the Principle of God manifests as 7 > > > Divine beings known as Amesha Spentas who were in charge of certain > > > aspects of God's creation although some scholars believe that Zoroaster > > > understood them to be aspects of God rather than as separate beings > > > created by God. Many scholars believe that belief in the Amesa Spentas is > > > the origin of the Hebrew belief in Archangels which they acquired during > > > their time of captivity in Babylon. > > > > > > Thus the 7 archangels began as aspects of God in Zoroastrianism and > > > became translated by the Jews (particularly during the Rabinnic period), > > > Muslims and later Christians as Archangels. Certain Christian writers > > > especially one known as Pseudo-Dionysus in the 5th Century made a pretty > > > detailed list of the hierarchies of angels and Archangels. > > > > > > The Ascended Masters other than Confuscious, Lao Tsu, Buddha and Jesus > > > (and some of the Gods and Goddesses from history that are now considered > > > Masters) were not known until the late 1890's when Helena Balvatsky and > > > Alice Bailey and others began to write and speak about them. > > > > > > It began with Blavatsky's assertion that her teachers had been flesh and > > > blood humans who were Mahatmas or great souls, one of whom she said was > > > El Morya. Annie Besant, C.W. Leadbeater and others of the Theosophical > > > Society expanded the idea of and list of Masters. This seminal work was > > > expanded further by Edna and Guy Ballard, Baird Spaulding and later > > > Elizabeth and Mark Prophet and others in the 1930's and 40's, usually > > > with a monetary and egoic motive behind the teachings. > > > > > > My question is: if these Masters had and have an existence independent of > > > the human race and human consciousness and have been associated with > > > mankind since the beginning of earth, where were they till the 1860's > > > which is when Blavatsky claimed they were teaching her? If they have been > > > around all this time why do we have no records of them from any ancient > > > or relatively recent civilizations and please don't tell me it is because > > > they chose to hide their existence till the Theosophical society was > > > formed. > > > > > > I cannot deny the Energy I feel when I channel the Masters and Archangels > > > particularly Buddha. Buddha for me is the essence of the Unmanifest made > > > manifest, his Energy is the Essence of Pure Awareness. > > > > > > I can believe that the Ascended Masters and Archangels are somehow tied > > > to the collective consciousness of humanity, but I cannot answer the > > > question of whether or not they existed before humans did. I am willing > > > to concede that since the Masters and Archangels are expressions of > > > certain Archetypal energy, that energy would possibly have existed before > > > humanity ever existed. > > > > > > The next question is how should humans feel about and interact with the > > > energies of these Beings. I believe the most empowering way of > > > interaction is to think of them as aspects of our own Infinite Being, and > > > channeling is a means of accessing various aspects of our Infinite Being. > > > > > > I admit I like the perspective of Richard Bartlett who teaches Matrix > > > Energetics. He says he has unseen guides and Masters who give him > > > guidance and information and he listens to them and acts on what they > > > tell him ââ¬" at the same time he says that he hallucinates them. That > > > is his term for the idea that we all are aspects of consciousness, and > > > that we hallucinate or self create these aspects of our own Divine Being > > > in order to have a way and a reason to access our power and believe in > > > what we are dong and experiencing when it is an experience beyond what we > > > are taught in school and church. > > > > > > I like his belief. So I don't know the answer to any of this stuff. I am > > > just trying to live in this body and make some sense of the world every > > > day. As to the Ascended Masters and the idea that some are slipping > > > around here doing all sorts of great things in a hidden or unseen way, > > > what the hell for? People can say anything, but for me I only know that > > > when I hear see or read about some great thing that is gonna take place > > > and how the Masters are doing all this great stuff, > > > > > > I am willing to believe it, willing mind you, and I will believe it when > > > I see it, but I am not holding my breath. > > > > > >
