...yep...:-)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote:
>
> But I'm so very enamored of the "TMO in ashes"...
>
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> ________________________________
> From: "doctordumbass@..." <doctordumbass@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, December 26, 2012 1:09 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of
> 8,000 Mayan YFers?
>
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> Â
> Yeah, the story that TM or TMSP automatically results in benefits is sort of
> a fake-out. I found this out by taking the practice at its word, so to speak,
> for years. And yet, it wasn't until later, when I did the hard work of
> examining what was being revealed to me, through meditation and the siddhis,
> that I began to integrate the benefits and really understand where the
> practices and results fit into my life.
>
> So for a long time it hasn't been the story of the TMO or the beliefs in this
> or that, for me. After enough years I built up enough spiritual momentum so
> that the path became mine, alone. I continue to compare my experiences
> against that which I was told, or a particular framework or template I have
> come across (e.g. MMY's 7 SOC or the Kundalini Chakras). Unlike the past in
> which this would bring conflict as I was less sure of my self, now it brings
> clarity, as I am able to see my ongoing truth, as revealed by my experience,
> vs. whatever any spiritual master or text says.
>
> Regarding the TMO, Bevan all of those people - just let them all go, and find
> your own truth, beyond any of it. As for their "day of reckoning", dharmic
> balance, it is always inevitable with all of us, whether we are there to
> personally witness it of another. We all have to play by the same rules, even
> those who attempt to set themselves above the rules, for a little while.:-)
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote:
> >
> > From my point of view, if the so called yogic flying was a effective as
> > claimed, you would see the greatest effect at the epicenter, meaning
> > closest to the flying group - this should mean over the years extraordinary
> > results in Fairfield and Jefferson County or even all of Iowa - but it
> > hasn't EVER happened. The TMO says that it has effects all over America but
> > things stay the same in the local area? TMO has consistently said "Ah, we
> > had a great effect cause we said we had a great effect, believe us when we
> > say we have a great effect and keep sending money so we can continue to
> > have the grand effect that we say we are having."
> >
> > There is another post here on FFL talking about the grand effect of the
> > MExican group that refers to how well the government organized the event,
> > how they brought the buses in on time - WTF!! If the Mexican government
> > organized the event, why did the TMO ask for donations to pay for having
> > everyone bused???
> >
> > With or without a tinfoil hat, I can see these guys are wanting to continue
> > to ride the gravy train - I look forward to the day that Tony, Bevan and
> > all the rest are exposed for the frauds they are, the TMO folds, Marshys
> > nevvies in India raid all the Movements assets leaving the TMO in ashes and
> > Bevan and the boys have to make a living for themselves washing dishes or
> > some other menial labor job, worrying how to pay the rent and utilities
> > like the rest of us instead of living off the fat of the land in a global
> > ashram paid for by others.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: "doctordumbass@" <doctordumbass@>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 2:43 PM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim of
> > 8,000 Mayan YFers?
> >
> >
> > ÃÂ
> > Merry Christmas, MJ! ...wait, lemme secure "the hat au foil de tin", prior
> > to responding with substance...ok, set:
> >
> > Yeah, it is tough to prove a negative. On the background of an always
> > difficult world, how do you show evidence that something even worse didn't
> > happen? As the French would say, impossible. lol
> >
> > Over the last 60 years, there has been a lot of progress and a lot of
> > conflict. Who to assign praise/blame to? I like the overall trend that more
> > people are empowered to do what they want to, globally, even though it
> > results these days in some terrific violence.
> >
> > Along with the potential for chaos, though, pervasive local, national, and
> > global, communication, is also making it difficult to maintain the obsolete
> > power structures of the past - e.g. the last US election secured, because
> > of a YouTube video revealing the true nature of the loser. And secrets of
> > any kind have become impossible to keep (WikiLeaks). How porous everything
> > has become.
> >
> > Is it the much vaunted Age of Enlightenment? Pretty obviously not, though
> > now that things are breaking loose, in flux and in motion, we have half a
> > chance in hell of getting there. :-)
> >
> > ok, hat back on wig stand...
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I cannot dispute the numbers of flyers in India or Mexico cuz I am not
> > > there - I wish with all my heart the things you say would have been or
> > > even would be true, but the state of the world as it is is proof enough
> > > for me that the effect of both group practice of TM and the "yogic
> > > flying" has been an utter failure, not because of lack of numbers but
> > > simply because the stated effects just aren't there - nearly 60 years is
> > > more than enough time for proof to surface - it is all still just a
> > > promise of futures and I wouldn't buy them from the TMO anymore than I
> > > would Bernie Madoff - but it woulda been nice if it hadda been true
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: "srijau@" <srijau@>
> > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > Sent: Tuesday, December 25, 2012 8:53 AM
> > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Can anyone independently validate the claim
> > > of 8,000 Mayan YFers?
> > >
> > >
> > > ÃâÃÂ
> > > There are more than tens of thousands of students and pundits in India
> > > and you will have no problem with the independent confirmation of that,
> > > indeed the problems of the largest private educator in India and the
> > > legal disputes over the land assets for future Pundit campuses have been
> > > raised in Parliament; as well the extraordinary successes are everyday in
> > > the Indian press for all to see as Maharishi Vidya Mandir students are
> > > constantly in or at the top of educational competitions all the time. Yes
> > > there was some money 'wasted" by Maharishi's way of dealing with the
> > > corruption of the permit authorities in India by presenting them with a
> > > fait accompli instead of going along with institutionalized bribery, but
> > > all kinds of financial safeguards including detailed reporting and close
> > > donor supervision of expenditure have been put in place now.
> > > The cost of buses meant that there could not be many Yogic Flyers to
> > > Monte Alban and indeed it is unlikely one could even rent that many buses
> > > on short notice. If there was not this many Tm-Sidhas students now in
> > > southern Mexico then the GCWP would be risking their credibility in terms
> > > of the Maharishi effect which is now claimed for central and south
> > > America. If crime, does not continue to fall quickly and other aspects of
> > > society not improve as well you would have every reason to doubt not the
> > > number of Yogic Flyers in education, military and industry but the
> > > Maharishi Effect itself. The proof is in the pudding and many outside the
> > > movement are already starting to comment that the pudding is tasting very
> > > sweet, satvic, blissful, peaceful, Heaven on Earth for all, the best
> > > Christmas and New Years gift ever, this time in perpetuity.
> > > Jai Guru Dev.
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > I finally found an article on this with photos, and they
> > > > do nothing to eradicate my doubts about the veracity of
> > > > the TM movement.
> > > >
> > > > Has no one forgotten all of the claims of tens of thousands
> > > > of pundits or students in Maharishi Schools in India, only
> > > > to have people travel to the supposed locations and find
> > > > them empty and deserted, with no people there and no
> > > > construction going on?
> > > >
> > > > That was my first thought when people started to bandy
> > > > about the claim of "8,000" students taught the TMSP in
> > > > Oaxaca. I said to myself, "I'll believe it when I see the
> > > > photographs and can run them through crowd-estimation
> > > > software."
> > > >
> > > > Well, this article has photos. As far as I can tell, the
> > > > largest number of people in *any* of them is in the last
> > > > photo on the page, an estimated 300 people max. So where
> > > > are the other 7,700?
> > > >
> > > > http://www.mangalorean.com/news.php?newstype=broadcast&broadcastid=366529
> > > >
> > >
> >
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