--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... wrote: > > I just read it too - I wonder if he would like some cheese with that whine? >
Anyone know where Knapp got his MSW and license? > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "feste37" wrote: > > > > Based on what I read in that link, he sounds like a very unstable > > individual who would have had problems regardless of what he became > > involved in, whether TM or something else. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > Share...if you are interested, here is a link to what Knapp has put > > > online regarding his story. How much of it is true, I do not know. > > > http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/12/08/670873/-The-Grieving-Room-My-Cultic-Relationship > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey Share, > > > > > > > > I think Knapp has stated that he didn't attend MIU. If I recollect > > > > correctly, he was involved with the TMO for 23 years and left sometime > > > > in the mid-90s. > > > > > > > > I never attended MIU and was never deeply involved in TM. > > > > > > > > I got initiated in 1975 in western North Carolina when I was 16 years > > > > old. My initiator's name was Dee Nelson. I liked Dee and enjoyed > > > > volunteering at the local TM center for about a year. I took SCI at the > > > > time. In 1976, I left TM for a year and then jumped back in and dabbled > > > > some more and went to a weekend of rounding in eastern North Carolina. > > > > > > > > In the summer of 1977 I left behind the TMO and the practice. > > > > > > > > My maiden name is Hamby which was my name when I was involved in the > > > > TMO. > > > > > > > > There is a 'Carol Welch' who teaches (developed?) a mind-body movement > > > > program. That may be why my name sounds familiar. > > > > (_http://hanna-somatics.com/About.html ) > > > > > > > > Thanks Share... > > > > ~Carol > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I can't believe that in almost 38 yrs of TM and many of those close > > > > > to inner circles, I have never heard of this guy before now! I > > > > > wonder if he was ever at MIU. Carol, the name Dee Wilson sounds a > > > > > little familiar. So does yours. Were you at MIU from 1975-80? > > > > > > > > > > Anyway I think just realizing that we all have hidden agendas helps > > > > > disempower them somewhat. Also helps to have wise loving people > > > > > willing to comfort or prod us as needed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > From: "doctordumbass@" > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > Sent: Saturday, January 5, 2013 11:30 AM > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Re- John M Knapp - Johnny Profane + TV > > > > > reviews > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > doctordumbass stated "[...] the[re] is no substitute to digging > > > > > > into one's self awareness for answers and solutions." > > > > > > > > > > > > Totally agree. > > > > > > > > > > > > Unfortunately, when followers choose to leave toxic authoritarian > > > > > > lifestyles/relationships, it can be difficult to break the cycle. > > > > > > Self-blame and self-doubt had become habit. > > > > > > > > > > **I agree, and thanks for not taking this as a judgment on you, 'cuz > > > > > it isn't. > > > > > However, the whole idea of a guide to provide the badly needed > > > > > self-esteem to us, after being psychologically destroyed, is one of > > > > > those deals that seems too good to be true, because it is - though > > > > > impossible to recognize at the time. Kind of like a rebound > > > > > relationship after a break-up. > > > > > > > > > > > > I think we all have agendas. Agendas aren't bad in and of > > > > > > themselves. Hidden agendas, on the other hand, are the traps. > > > > > > > > > > ** Agreed - we've all got goals whether we know it or not. As to > > > > > hidden agendas, I really struggle with what those might be, even for > > > > > the most conniving and mean spirited people. All I see when I really > > > > > get into it, is their monstrous insecurity, that allows them to hurt > > > > > others in service to their own imagined protection. Weak, mean > > > > > babies.:-) They are easy to spot, God love 'em, and if I can avoid a > > > > > personal or professional relationship with them, so much the better! > > > > > > > > > > Also, this is not to take sides either for or against John K. or you, > > > > > since I do not know you at all, and only knew John briefly 35 years > > > > > ago, when he was strutting about with his peers as a Governor Of The > > > > > Age Of Enlightenment And Don't You Forget It.:-) > > > > > > > > > > > ********** > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > fwiw, I think that after being exposed to, and heavily influenced > > > > > > > by, an authoritarian cult, the last thing I would do is go to > > > > > > > another authority figure, who "specializes" in curing people, in > > > > > > > order to fix myself. Its a set up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Fortunately I learned at a young age that psychologists and > > > > > > > psychiatrists all have agendas of their own, simply by virtue of > > > > > > > each having distinct personalities and karmas, and no matter how > > > > > > > sympathetic or empathetic they are, they is no substitute to > > > > > > > digging into one's self awareness for answers and solutions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > PS and FYI: Interestingly I posted what my "*chuckly* Barry..." > > > > > > > > post before I read Ann's response. I purposefully did that so > > > > > > > > as not to have my impression influenced by her response. Just > > > > > > > > so you know, Barry...if you even read my response. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks Ann, for bringing the posts you did forward. It does > > > > > > > > give a little more background to Barry's what-appears-to-be > > > > > > > > general mode of operation for him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ************** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Carol" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > *chuckle* > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barry, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm sure you are not interested in my impression of you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am interested in your impression of me. I do actually care, > > > > > > > > > to a point. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your impression of me is that I am an obsessive psychopathic > > > > > > > > > cyberstalker that has made a profession out of dishing The > > > > > > > > > Way and Knapp. (or something like that) That is your > > > > > > > > > opinion; you cannot provide facts. You think I am a loon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, my impression from this post you just made is that you > > > > > > > > > like manipulating people by passive aggressive type actions. > > > > > > > > > You view it as entertainment, apparently. And you have in > > > > > > > > > your mind that these people are trying to motivate you to > > > > > > > > > apologize? I don't know where you get the idea that they want > > > > > > > > > you to apologize...but that is your opinion. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That said, I don't think you manipulated anyone to do > > > > > > > > > anything. I think these ladies simply looked up verifying > > > > > > > > > facts to your allegations and claims. That isn't obsessive; > > > > > > > > > that's investigative. It hardly took all afternoon. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Why do you feel the need to share with us what you did for > > > > > > > > > the day? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All that aside, in 3-D life you may be a great guy. You're > > > > > > > > > probably a good neighbor and responsible. You add to society > > > > > > > > > in a good way. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Folks in your 3-D life may have no idea you spend time on the > > > > > > > > > internet posting 1000s of arguments, name calling, guessing > > > > > > > > > people-whom-you-know-little-about motives, and typing in > > > > > > > > > capitals like that makes things more important, and whatever > > > > > > > > > else you do online. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Through my six-year internet *career* and learning how to try > > > > > > > > > to converse in text, I (like others) have wondered what it > > > > > > > > > would be like if all these people were in a 3-D cafe. How > > > > > > > > > many would behave the same or similar as they do online? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hope you have another good day Barry. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ******** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's, however, note that Barry had no objection to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Lord > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knows or Bill and Brahmi "barging" in and going > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Robin. In fact, Barry, you loved it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please document this claim. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ann has done exactly this. Will Barry admit it? Don't > > > > > > > > > > > > be ridiculous. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just love assigning homework to obsessives. > > > > > > > > > > > It keeps them busy for hours, and then they feel > > > > > > > > > > > so triumphant afterwards, as if the original > > > > > > > > > > > idea was theirs. Thanks for jumping through > > > > > > > > > > > hoops, girls. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just for fun, and as an excuse to order a second > > > > > > > > > > cup of really *excellent* coffee here at a cafe > > > > > > > > > > I hadn't tried before, I'm going to explain the > > > > > > > > > > nature of the game to these gals, knowing in > > > > > > > > > > advance that they won't hear a word of the > > > > > > > > > > explanation, and that they'll fall for it again > > > > > > > > > > the next time I run it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Knowing that their mindset (Judy's originally, > > > > > > > > > > and Ann's because she's trying to emulate Judy) > > > > > > > > > > is to either 1) prove one of their perceived > > > > > > > > > > "opponents" WRONG, 2) prove themselves RIGHT, > > > > > > > > > > or 3) get the "opponent" to actually APOLOGIZE, > > > > > > > > > > what you do is assign them a task. Hopefully > > > > > > > > > > the task will involve digging into the past, > > > > > > > > > > hopefully for quite some time (so that they > > > > > > > > > > feel they've done their due diligence), at which > > > > > > > > > > point they trot out their "research," hoping for > > > > > > > > > > the outcome they were looking for -- a "win." > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And then nothing happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The only people they impress are those who think > > > > > > > > > > the same way they do, in terms of "opponents" > > > > > > > > > > and "wins." They never notice that they've been > > > > > > > > > > assigned yet another "make work project," and > > > > > > > > > > leapt upon it like salivating dogs. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The thing is, I had *no earthly idea* whether > > > > > > > > > > I'd interacted with Lord Knows the way Ann said > > > > > > > > > > I had, and for a very simple reason -- nothing > > > > > > > > > > about Robin sticks in my memory, because nothing > > > > > > > > > > about him is interesting enough enough *to* stick > > > > > > > > > > in my memory. But I figured Ann wouldn't be able > > > > > > > > > > to resist, so I assigned her a task that she would > > > > > > > > > > believe that -- if she completed it -- she'd "win." > > > > > > > > > > So she wasted a bunch of time trying to "win," > > > > > > > > > > while I watched a couple of good TV series with my > > > > > > > > > > housemates. I leave it up to you to decide who > > > > > > > > > > "won" in this scenario, or whether "winning" is > > > > > > > > > > even possible. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Both of the TV shows were "finds" I discovered on > > > > > > > > > > a UK list of "best TV of 2012." These shows have > > > > > > > > > > not (to my knowledge) been aired in the US, although > > > > > > > > > > they might someday, so I'll tell you about them just > > > > > > > > > > in case they are. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The first was an episode of a series called "Accused." > > > > > > > > > > As I understand it (having seen no other episodes > > > > > > > > > > but the one I watched), it's...uh...non-episodic, in > > > > > > > > > > that there are no continuing characters or plotlines. > > > > > > > > > > Each week's episode is standalone. The one that got > > > > > > > > > > flagged as among the "best of the year" got that > > > > > > > > > > honor because it starred Sean Bean (from LotR and > > > > > > > > > > Game Of Thrones) *as a transvestite*. The reviewer > > > > > > > > > > called his performance -- dressed in complete drag, > > > > > > > > > > and looking remarkably like...uh...a man dressed in > > > > > > > > > > drag, whom no one on earth would ever mistake for > > > > > > > > > > a woman -- a "career best." She was right. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The second was a mini-series (two 90-minute episodes) > > > > > > > > > > called "Restless." What drew me to it was the cast, > > > > > > > > > > including actors of the quality of Hayley Atwell, > > > > > > > > > > Rufus Sewell, Michelle Dockery, Michael Gambon, and > > > > > > > > > > (the clincher for me) Charlotte Rampling. It turned > > > > > > > > > > out to be a well-written, tightly-crafted spy drama > > > > > > > > > > set both in modern time and in flashbacks to the WWII > > > > > > > > > > era. Charlotte Rampling plays the spy in modern times, > > > > > > > > > > having to explain to her daughter (Dockery) that back > > > > > > > > > > during the war she worked as a spy, and that people > > > > > > > > > > from that era were now trying to find and kill her. > > > > > > > > > > This leads to flashbacks of that era, with the young > > > > > > > > > > spy being played by Hayley Atwell. This sorta thing > > > > > > > > > > can be really lame and pedestrian in the wrong hands, > > > > > > > > > > but "Restless" kinda clicked for me on all levels. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There. That's how I spent my day yesterday. Doesn't > > > > > > > > > > that sound more productive than diving into the past > > > > > > > > > > digging through old posts made to a tiny Internet > > > > > > > > > > forum that almost no one reads trying to "get" someone > > > > > > > > > > and "win" something that can never be "won?" :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Priorities. For the cyberstalker/obsessive mentality, > > > > > > > > > > *nothing* is more important than going for the "win." > > > > > > > > > > For others, watching TV is much more fun. Different > > > > > > > > > > strokes for different folks. :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
