Like I said, the research the TMO has touted for decades is iffy at best, 
especially research on anything after TM, meaning the sidhis on down to the 
present moment, given the lack of proof that TM and TM related programs have a 
desirable effect, it is unlikely that TM will have a greater beneficial effect 
than other meditations or other modalities for PTSD veterans.

Since I am unfortunately not in a position to stop TM being introduced into the 
population, the "experiment" is going ahead whether I like it or not. But in 
the end who do you think will be claiming TM is the very best thing for PTSD? 
The TMO, and its front organizations and people like David Lynch and former 
military men who WORK FOR THE TMO.

Some of my objections do stem from objection to the TMO - It is not in my 
ability to discern why people think it is a good thing to teach a technique 
that has the effect of creating people who behave like leaders of the TMO - do 
you not see the link, the connection? If it did what TMO says it would do, 
Bevan, Tony, Neil etc etc etc would all be saints who would actually be leading 
society instead of CLAIMING to lead society.

I have heard a number of people who have taught TM for many years speak about 
the numbers of their initiates who didn't even finish the 3 days checking - how 
about it, all you TM teachers who post here? What would you say are the numbers 
you taught and how many of them lasted even a year? I would really like to know 
if that number is over the 10% a couple of former teachers have mentioned here.

The point being if TM is as fine as fried chicken, biscuits and gravy, how come 
so many people don't do it very long, or quit after a few years?

But being that the TM for PTSD is ongoing, let's see the results. If PTSD 
treatment professionals embrace it across the board, I am willing to reverse my 
statements here on FFL - but I can tell you from having rubbed elbows with some 
of these veterans, if they knew the jack asses who were in charge of the TMO 
wore gold hats and claimed to be kings, they would throw those TM teachers out 
on their ears.

 From: seventhray27 <>
Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 1:13 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Steve, About PTSD

Hey Michael,
I just wrote a rather lengthy reply to this, but it got eaten.
I reread your (lengthy) response about why you feel that TM should not be used 
for the treatment of PTSD.  And your realize that much of it has nothing to do 
with the actual treatment, but rather the fact that you do not like the TMO, 
it's leaders or its claims.
And you offer only pure speculation on why it would not be an appropiate 
And finally, you seem to be saying that since I don't agree with what you wrote 
that I am in denial in some way.
You invent this notion that I don't respect your opinion because you aren't 
specifically credentialled in this way.

You laid out your reasons.  They appear well thought out.  I am sorry if I 
remain unconvinced.  I wish you the best in putting forth you agenda for 
dealing with this issue.
My position remains the same.  Let the results speak for themselves.  That 
appears to be the last thing you want to consider.
--- In, Michael Jackson wrote:
> I wrote it because you asked me why I didn't like the idea of TM for PTSD 
> folks and I told you - evidently you aren't willing to pay attention to 
> anything I say unless I have an MD in PTSD treatment behind my name.
> The TMO is reason enough to stay away from TM, especially for these at risk 
> people. It is time (but I know it ain't gonna happen) that people stop saying 
> that TM is good, we just have to ignore or excuse the TMO and its people's 
> behavior and energy.
> I am not willing to see veteran's with PTSD used as experimental subjects - 
> IF, IF , IF TM had lived up to its hype, lived up to the claims made for it 
> and its ancillary programs made through its questionable "scientific" 
> research, I would be more than willing to see TM taught on the battlefield 
> itself, but given the fact that TM research across the board from the early 
> stuff to the laughable Maharishi Effect stuff, it isn't likely that TM will 
> show itself to be efficacious for treatment of PTSD. 
> How many years will people stop saying "Oh, well, nothing's been proven yet, 
> but let's just give it another 60 years, I know Marshy will be proven right 
> one day."
> ________________________________
> From: seventhray27 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2013 4:53 PM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: To Steve, About PTSD
> Hey Michael,
> Thanks for your very thorough reply.  I commend you for your efforts to 
> come up with treatments for the PTSD, and I hope that you succeed in getting 
> your ideas implemented.  In my opinion, that is where I would focus my 
> attention.  I can't say that you come across as any kind of authority of 
> what the efficacy of TM would be in this situation, but I would assume that 
> whatever benefits or detriments that would result from the practice of TM for 
> PTSD would be become apparant and based on that, the program would be 
> continued,or expanded or curtailed or discontinued.  
> Why not the results, or non results speak for themselves?
> --- In, Michael Jackson wrote:
> > Bottom line, TM simply is not the best meditation for these
> > folks with PTSD. 
> > 
> >


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