--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > Really enjoyed this, seekliberation. Ketu is in Libra in first house for > me. Saturn is just transiting that. Rahu is just entering Libra, will > transit natal Ketu and transiting Saturn at some point in the future. > Expecting wild times ahead. But in general I love when Saturn transits > Libra. One jyotishi told me Saturn is also deep contentment and that is > indeed my experience. When I surrender into Saturn's discipline, etc. deep > contentment is the result. > Considering the state of my automobile, I think I would prefer Saturn in my garage, even though I have no natural affinity for that brand of transportation.
http://www.theonion.com/articles/your-horoscopes-week-of-january-9th-2013,30844/ > ________________________________ > From: seekliberation > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Sunday, January 13, 2013 8:20 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Enlightenment > > >  > I know a lot on this forum don't care much for astrology, but it did make > sense to me as I began to understand it a little better. This will, however, > take some explaining. > > A lot of gurus and belief systems have convinced many that we can achieve > enlightenment in this lifetime. But I have a problem with the word > 'achieve'. What aspect of our consciousness wants to 'Achieve' something? > It's ultimately our Ego that would want to achieve something, and therefore > our tendency to try to 'achieve' enlightenment is pretty much symbolic of > someone with an IQ of 75 trying to become a rocket scientist. > > In vedic astrology, the planet that rules over our ego and indicates what > direction our ego will want to go in is the Sun. However, the Sun, in > Jyotish, does not have the capacity to 'enlighten' us. Ketu is the only > planet that truly has the capacity to lead a person towards enlightenment. > Unfortunately, Ketu (as well as Rahu) is not like the other planets, it is a > 'shadow' planet. For example, if you want to develop qualities of Mercury, > intellectual activities are recommended, and for Mars, competitive and > intense activities are recommended. Unfortunately can't be developed more by > choosing different activities or by 'trying' harder to 'achieve' its nature. > So the question remains, how do we get our consciousness to a point where it > can handle the qualities of Ketu, being as it is the only planet that can > enlighten us? > > First, learn the speed at which the planets rotate through all the zodiac > signs: > > Moon: 30 days > Sun: 1 year > Mercury: 3 months (approx) > Venus: 7 months (approx) > Mars: 2 years (approx) > Jupiter: 12 years > Rahu/Ketu: 18 years > Saturn: 29.5 years > > So basically, interpretation of the above: The faster a planet rotates > through the zodiac, the less stable that quality of consciousness is. The > slower it rotates, the more stable it is. So if Moon and Sun rotate the > fastest, then that means our Ego and our Emotions are the most unstable > qualities of consciousness. Rahu/Ketu take 18 years to go through the > zodiac. But as said before, we don't learn or deal with Rahu/Ketu directly. > So instead, we have to acquire the qualities of consciousness that are deeper > and more stable than the influence of Karma. Mercury (intellect), Venus > (love, balance), and Mars (competition, intensity) also fall very short. Now > you notice, Jupiter (conventional religion, philosophy, higher education) > rotates through the zodiac every 12 years. So it certainly comes very close > to preparing our consciousness for enlightenment, but it falls just shy of > paying the bills. So that leaves one planet and one planet only: > Saturn. Saturn is the only planet (in Vedic Astrology) that rotates at a > slow enough rate to enable our consciousness to handle the experience of > enlightenment. So what does Saturn represent? Patience, discipline, > transcendence, loyalty, anything that requires sacrifice or long term > commitment, etcâ¦. > > It's also important not to mistake people who display the qualities of either > Jupiter or Saturn for enlightened people, which is often what many Cults do. > Jupiter and Saturn are quite powerful. Jupiter can give rise to impressive > wisdom, enough to keep the lightweight Mercury-like Pseudo intellectuals > captivated for long enough to get their money. Saturn, if our consciousness > really grasps it, is sometimes (but rarely) known for mystical abilities > among other impressive traits. However, Saturn STILL ISN'T KETU. It > prepares us for enlightenment, but in and of itself, it is not enlightenment. > So essentially, what can we 'DO' to achieve enlightenment? From what I've > learned, getting our consciousness to the point where we can handle Saturn's > influence to its fullest extent is pretty much all we can do. However, it is > important to note that most people are still stuck between Mercury, Venus and > Mars. Those planets alone are kicking most people's > asses in this world. You add Jupiter and Saturn's influence on their daily > schedule and people will start dropping like flies. > > So, given the above explanation, you will probably understand my tone when I > often ridicule the seriousness and intensity at which others in this world > pursue enlightenment. I'm looking at that person and seeing clearly that > they can barely handle the experiences of the lightweight planets (Sun,Mo, > Me,Ve, and Ma). You give these people a dose of the heavyweight planets and > you're talking PTSD for many of them. I often wonder why they think they're > ready for enlightenment when they can barely even handle the really deep and > heavy experiences in life first. In fact, many people obsessed with > enlightenment downright avoid deep and heavy experiences to the extent of > developing philosophies and paradigms that declare those experiences as being > ignorant and unevolved. > > I know a contradictory attitude towards enlightenment is that anyone can > become enlightened at anytime, it's just a matter of removing the ego from > the driver's seat of our consciousness. Again, Sun is the ego, and > Saturn/Rahu/Ketu are what prevents it from being in control. So essentially, > whether someone will be able to let go of their ego is not something > determined by their decisions or their will power, which is egotistic in the > first place. It's almost like baking a recipe. You either have enough of a > certain substance to counteract another substance, or you don't. In the same > way, a person either has or hasn't lived enough lives to acquire the > qualities of the Anti-ego planets (specifically Saturn) in order to let go of > the ego, or they haven't. If they haven't, then no amount of time spent > focusing on enlightenment will yield enlightenment. It would be like someone > who can't even run a mile without stopping trying to compete for the world > heavyweight title in boxing; they would get their ass kicked every time. > > seekliberation > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > Thought I would offer this for purposes of discussion. These are my own > > beliefs at this time: > > > > From the teachings or musings if you will of people like Eckhart > > Tolle and Anita Moorjani, Adyashanti one has to believe that the whole thing > > about enlightenment and the whole schtick that goes with it is complete > > made up > > bullshit. > > > > Some meditation teachers like to teach that enlightenment is > > something that is achievable in this lifetime, but in truth it is already > > here, > > covered over by egoic perception. Maharishi was particularly prone to > > promulgate this idea that enlightenment was something to precious and rare > > that > > needed to be pursued, to be chased, and he and teachers like him do that to > > be > > able to get more people to buy their nosturms. > > > > But evidently what we have called ââ¬Å"enlightenmentââ¬ï¿½ is our > > natural state must by virtue of being, just by being. You donââ¬â¢t have > > to go > > anywhere or do anything to become this ââ¬Å"stateââ¬ï¿½ of awareness or > > being, but just > > be. It must mean that meditation and seeking will never lead to the > > experience of > > enlightenment, and when most people talk about their enlightenment they are > > referring to a fluctuating experience of consciousness. > > > > This to me also means that the old Hindu stuff about having > > to spend countless lifetimes as plants, bugs, animals and so forth until > > you ââ¬Å"meritââ¬ï¿½ > > a human body is also complete made up bullshit. Why would the Infinite > > Magnificence, the Unlimited Love that we are choose to do that? I > > canââ¬â¢t think > > of a reason. > > > > Any thoughts folks? > > >
