--- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: <snip> Nicely said. I can generally buy that, because it puts > the resolution of the samskaras right in the lap of the > person who created them. What you explained is basically > what I had in mind when I said that a teacher could "speed > up" the resolution of karmas. > > My issue is with the oft-repeated and oft-believed idea > that the guru is somehow "absorbing" or "resolving" the > karmas him- or herself. That -- the concept of "grace" -- > seems to me to be unnecessary for the proper functioning > of evolution and realization of enlightenment, and from > an Occum's Razor point of view, I tend to write off the > unnecessary as unlikely. > > In other words, in my view the universe works perfectly > well as the interplay of karma and free will. Add a third > element -- grace -- which by definition would violate this > interplay, and you've unnecessarily complicated your model. > > But to each his own...
Yeah, though I do believe in Grace (and that's another topic) I think the attribution of resolution of karma to the Guru comes in because the devotee is unaware of the mechanics at play. > > > An alternative to being at the effect of personal karma is to stop > > thinking. By this, I mean becoming established in that reality > > which is beyond thinking. By doing this, we leave it to Brahman > > to deliver our karma to us. We no longer create it, and instead > > always effortlessly enjoy good karma. I experience this, though > > I am not sure of the mechanics of it. It just works- must have > > something to do with enjoying the immense bliss of the Creator > > after subsuming ourselves to Him/Her. > > Interestingly, I can grok what you're saying and identify > with it, even though I personally believe neither in a > Creator or a Creation. The description of the effect > and the enjoyment of the effect remains the same whether > you believe that the Absolute has sentience and intent > of its own or not. Go figure. :-) Ever since I was a kid, I have always been able to concentrate my energies and send them upwards, and feel a connection with something or someone 'up there'. Over time I called it God or the Creator. Just for convenience I guess... ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
