--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" wrote: > > (snip) > > > We are talking about about cultish methods of issue avoidance > > > like Nabby's "I never saw anything like it so you must be > > > lying" or Judy's "I wouldn't be annoyed that someone tried > > > to rip me off $50,000 for something that couldn't happen > > > because I don't have $50,000". > > > > Ooooo, that wasn't very smart of you, salyavin. Did you > > really think I wouldn't call you on this deliberate > > misrepresentation? > > I think it's a great and eye catching paraphrase (if partial)
And deliberately out of context. > Here's what you said: > > "My guess is that I'd have ignored it, which is what I've > done with almost all the sales pitches I've ever had from > the TMO, during rounding or otherwise (only sales pitches > I experienced during rounding were for advanced programs). > > Plus the fact that at no time when I was taking rounding > courses would I have had $50,000 of which to be relieved!" > > Misrepresentation? Oh, yes indeedy. What you quote above was from an earlier post, first of all (as you know). Second, the first paragraph you quote is entirely consistent with what I went on to say in the later post, just less detailed; and the second paragraph, although factual, is pretty obviously meant to be mildly humorous and self-deprecatory. I was pointing out that this part of your original question made no sense in my case. Let's go to the videotape: ----- > So what would you have done Judy? Seriously, put > yourself in my place, on a rounding course and > suddenly on the receiving end of a slick PR pitch > with no purpose other than to relieve you of $50,000 > for something guaranteed never to happen by a so-called > spiritual group you probably thought was the dogs > bollocks up to that point. Hard to say since I wasn't there and can't be sure how the pitch would have come across to me. But I got turned off on the TMO probably within a month of beginning TM when I attended a celebration at my local TM center (and that was before my first residence course, so the "dog's bollocks" situation you describe wouldn't have applied to me--I'd already decided that the TMO sucked). My guess is that I'd have ignored it, which is what I've done with almost all the sales pitches I've ever had from the TMO, during rounding or otherwise (only sales pitches I experienced during rounding were for advanced programs). Plus the fact that at no time when I was taking rounding courses would I have had $50,000 of which to be relieved! ----- But you ignored all that and *asked me the same damn question again*, as if you assumed I must have had that kind of money to give away. Still didn't make sense, and I pointed that out again: ----- > > It simply wouldn't have been a big blip on my radar screen. > > Just more silly TMO blah-blah-blah, tune it out. Vedaland > > was a ridiculous notion to start with even when Henning > > was still in full cry. > > What, Judy the great champion of truth and persecutor of > the dishonest wouldn't have made as much as a squeak if > someone from her so-called spiritual group tried to relieve > her of her life savings? Not when she was on a rounding course, no (not least because she didn't have any life savings to be relieved of, as I've already noted). > Hah! I find that rather hard to > believe. But then I was there and saw it. > > Besides, it wasn't about whether the blah-blah was going > to happen, it's about dishonest fundraising. Right. My point was that I would have paid too little attention to the blah-blah-blah even to notice that it was dishonest. ----- Then when you tried this morning to make me an example of Cult Avoidance Syndrome, you cited that entirely irrelevant part of my response(s) as if it were all I had said-- because you couldn't pin Cult Avoidance Syndrome on me based on what I had actually given as the reason I wouldn't have been outraged by the pitch (because I wouldn't have paid enough attention to it to realize it was dishonest, being contemptuous of TMO donation pitches in general and of the whole Vedaland idiocy in particular). Sleazy in the extreme. What else have you twisted in your attempt to avoid cognitive dissonance? > > You are learning well from Barry. > > Yep, me Barry and Goebbels meet regularly for training > sessions. > > Now you need to learn > > what he never has: You can't get away with pulling that > > kind of misrepresentation here, and it has a very negative > > effect on your credibility. If you're willing to be > > dishonest about something that's so easily proven false, > > you're likely to be even more willing to be dishonest > > about something that's more difficult to document. > > You see how you go on about what you see as dishonesty here? You bet I go on about dishonesty here. It's digusting and reprehensible, and it gets seriously in the way of an accurate perspective on TM-related issues. If you can't make your case (pro or con) without distorting the facts, how good a case can it be? You wouldn't need to do that if you had confidence in it. > And you claim someone ripping you off for $50,000 wouldn't > get your back up. I don't believe it. Too funny. Would it have gotten your back up if a dishonest bank had tried to evict you from your home in Minneapolis? *If* I had had that kind of money, *if* I had enough respect for the TMO to listen to its pitches, *if* I had thought Vedaland were a viable project, and *if* I had gone ahead and donated $50,000, then found out the TMO knew Henning was about to kick the bucket and that the project was going belly-up (or was never serious in the first place), yes, *then* it would have gotten my back up. I said as much in another part of my post that you conveniently failed to quote. But none of the above was the case, as I told you at some length. You just aren't gonna succeed in this attempt to paint me as a cultist because you don't got no evidence, and if you try to manufacture it, I'll call you on it. There's plenty of evidence to the contrary in my posts in this exchange as well as my previous posts on this forum.
