Great observation generally about the removal of moral yardstick.  You started 
off categorizing meditators but then stopped with the liberal roo.  The 
gradation within Roos is way broader than just there.  If you just look at 
political party affiliation and political activism of roos in Jefferson County 
here you see there is a spectrum that is more complex and interesting.  
However, going with your thoughts, the upper echelons of TM around the middle 
of TM are way more conservative than you start off with in categorizing about 
meditators and Some of them like your example of other dictators would also 
like to see moral yardsticks disappear given their own behavior.  They've 
always been dangerous that way, like other theocratic dictators will be.  
Generally I think culture will be morally vouch safe as you see the meditating 
US Marines with copies of the B.Gita tucked into their ruck packs for reading 
as they go out on duty.  However, As a conservative meditator I'd like to see 
the study of the the good old Classics brought back to the Parsons College 
campus again as required core education of our young meditators and some of the 
old meditators here could stand some Classic virtues remediation in addition to 
all their meditating. 
-Buck in the Dome
     

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@...> 
wrote:
>
> After reading an article about California banning Yoga in schools, it made me 
> think about liberalism in America and where it really stands on the subject 
> of spirituality and development of consciousness.  I always thought that of 
> all states and all locations in America, the first one to welcome any form of 
> Yoga, Meditation, and any other form of progressive teaching into its 
> education or government programs, California would definitely be the first.  
> The last element of our society that would promote such teachings would 
> clearly be the ignorant, conservative, gun-toting military.  Especially the 
> Marine Corps, which attracts an exceedingly high percentage of conservatives. 
>  However, much to my surprise, in the last decade the entire US military has 
> begun to make Yoga mandatory in its exercise program to include the Navy 
> Seals, Marine Spec Ops units, the entire Army and many other units.  
> Moreover, the Marine Corps just recently made meditation (not TM, but 
> mindfulness meditation) a required portion of any Marine trying out for the 
> Marine Corp's Special Operations Command.  So essentially, it's the exact 
> opposite of what anyone following spirituality in modern America would 
> expect.  The people liberals tend to hate the most (anyone from a disciplined 
> or structured element of society) seem to be embracing eastern teachings more 
> rapidly than groups that are predominantly liberal.  In fact, my experience 
> with people in the military is that they tend to be more open minded towards 
> those types of teachings than a lot of liberal minded people I know.
> 
> This brings me to a conclusion about liberals.  I think they fall into 
> different categories.  You have some of the new-age spiritual types, like the 
> ones who I remember from my days in Fairfield.  Yes, they are all open-minded 
> towards many controversial subjects such as gay marriage, and their views on 
> economics leans towards socialism.  But their inquisitive nature regarding 
> spirituality indicates to me that they actually are an evolving culture in 
> many ways.  But then you have the other type of liberal.  The purely atheist 
> type like Bill Maher or Janeane Garafalo.  They are likely to have the same 
> social and economic views as the new-age spiritual type of liberal, but they 
> are vehemently against spirituality and religion.  This results in a 
> resistance to any form of spirituality, and I can assure you that TM won't be 
> welcome by such people, regardless of what scientific evidence you spew at 
> them.  In fact, I believe it is the scientific evidence that is guiding the 
> military to embrace such teachings because it is logical and it works.  
> Regarding liberals, I am beginning to believe that most liberals in the media 
> and public spectrum fall in this category of people who are pre-dispositioned 
> against spiritual and religious teachings.
>   
> I think liberalism is leading us more and more towards atheism rather than 
> faith in anything beyond what the 5 senses can percieve.  I watch Bill Maher 
> and other liberal shows often enough to know that they are representatives of 
> a growing attitude throughout the country.  And if you think about it, 
> gravitating away from spirituality and religion is a must.  I think it is 
> sub-consciousness.  We simply can't have a set of socio-economic moral 
> guidelines anywhere in our society if we are going to behave in a 
> socio-economically immoral manner.  Regardless of how wrong or negative 
> anyone's policies are, nobody wants to be wrong.  Not even Hitler wanted to 
> be wrong.  If you read the translations of many of his speeches, they weren't 
> maniacal, they were inspiring to a society that needed inspiration during 
> hard times.  He had logic that supported his decisions and actions.  But to 
> support the decisions and actions that Americans are currently disposed 
> towards, and to feel right about it, the first step is to remove any 
> teachings that provide moral guidelines that contradict the direction you 
> want to move in.  Hence, we must remove spirituality and religion from our 
> society.  Just watch Bill Maher or other popular liberal spokespersons and 
> their attitude towards religion.  They don't just point out that there are a 
> lot of nutcases out there, they try to completely discredit every single 
> religion.  Sort of like throwing the baby out with the bathwater.  You never 
> see them attacking someone like Alan Watts or Eckhart Tolle.  They simply 
> expose only the weirdos, and ingores the geniuses.  
> 
> This is not in any way to say conservatives are right and liberals are wrong. 
>  I know many conservatives who are very ignorant about many things.  I also 
> know many people who believe deeply in Republican/Conservative politics but 
> then they turn around and live a liberal lifestyle that is devoid of any 
> personal responsibility.  Hence, they are liberals in their actions and 
> conservative in their minds.  And many liberals I know, both the atheist and 
> spiritual type are some of the most remarkable people I've ever met.  But  I 
> still contend that the atheist type of liberal demographic is growing faster 
> and is more publicly dominant in the media.  Personally, this is not a 
> direction I think is going to lead us anywhere more positive in terms of 
> neither development of consciousness or materialism.  It's weak on both ends 
> of the spectrum.
> 
> Any thoughts?
> 
> seekliberation
>

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