Om, that explains a lot. Nava, You got a lot packed in that post. Makes sense in context why the maha-mantras were not taught in the TM movement and in the end that Maharishi was cooking up some technique around a mechanical device to help activate the subtle bodies en lieu of a teaching using the vibratory of like the Gayatri mantra to activate and tune the subtle system. Makes sense too why the lady saint Karunamayi created such furor in the conservative Brahmins a few years ago for teaching caste-less people the Gayatri Mantra, like even to Women and Westerners. Gads. Thanks also for the comments about why they burned Maharishi in cremation v putting him in the ground or water. So, it is okay to return the body to the elements otherwise too. Lot of Saints also been put in the ground or sent down the river in water. Someone over coffee this morning in Paradiso started to rattle off the list of saints who were put in the ground or the water to return to the elements; Even non-Brahmin saints. Thanks for your insight. Love from Fairfield, -Buck
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, srijau@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > the non-use of Om by householders is very well documented to have been > > emphasized by Swami Brahmananda Saraswati. > > No argument about this here. But the reason is the caste system and > orthodoxy. According to extreme conservatives, any mantra of the Vedas could > not be pronounced by Non-Brahmins, and women. You can read the passage about > women and Om from the Beacon Light of the Himalaya, that Xeno uploaded to the > files. Same is true for the Gayatri Mantra, it is not taught in the TM > movement. Other spiritual Hindu based movements are less conservative and > advocate it. > > >There is so many famous mantras that do not use Om at all ... " Shree Rama > >Jaya Rama...etc the examples are very many. > > Yes, but they are not Vedic. If they would be Vedic, that is, if they would > occur in the Rig Veda for example, they would be equally disallowed by the > movement. The Shankaracharya order of the Saraswati branch, to which Guru Dev > belonged to is the MOST conservative of all the orthodox orders. Only > Brahmins could become Swamis, that is also the reason that Maharishi never > became a Swami. And that is also the reason why his body was cremated instead > of buried. The movement uppers and Rajas would have wanted the body to be > burried, and have a real Samadhi, but the current Shankaracharya, even though > supportive of the movement did not allow. > > The question for me is therefore: how much do you believe in the caste system > and all the orthodox rules? If I don't believe in the caste system, I have no > reason to reject OM for meditation. In fact it would simplify things a lot. > Everybody knows it, knows it's proper pronunciation, and it is not directly > connected to any gods, it is not sectarian or cultic. > > For example Shree Rama Jaya Raam Jaya Jaya Raam is a Vaishnavic Mantra and > associated with Rama. There might be Shaivas who don't like it. There are > Shaivas who don't visit Vaishanava temples. > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. > > > > > > Dear Nava, > > > Real TM tru-believers strongly hold that Maharishi's revival of Knowledge > > > has saved India from `Om". I have been lectured several times on this > > > very point by extremely faithful TM people who seem quite convinced. > > > You'll notice that none of the TM versions of mantras on the TM-X website > > > notice `Om' as any part of a TM mantra. Though Shri Vidya and everyone > > > else going back use "Om" to initiate or energized mantras. Is TM missing > > > something? Maharishi uniquely seems a Vedic out-layer on this in the > > > distribution of sages on mantras. > > > I like `Om' myself to spin the root and tune the heart and then go from > > > there. But that is different from TM and should not be confused even > > > though chakras well light up upon proper awareness and practice of the > > > TM-sidhis. But at that point it is independent of employing 'Om' or much > > > of anything else. > > > Best Regards from Fairfield, > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <richard@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > navashok: > > > > > > Where does the TM technique come from? > > > > > > > > > > > From India and the Vedas? LoL! > > > > > > > > > > According to Mircea Eliade, only the rudiments of classic > > > > > Yoga are to be found in the Vedas, and while shamanism and > > > > > other techniques of ecstasy are documented among other > > > > > Indo-European people, "Yoga is to be found only in India > > > > > and in cultures influenced by Indian spirituality" (102). > > > > > > > > I think there is only one truly Vedic mantra and that is OM. What > > > > Maharishi teaches as the Vedic tradition is actually the Tantric > > > > tradition appropriated by Brahmanism, through the teaching of Shri > > > > Vidhya. With Vedic literature, he means the Agamas. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Work cited: > > > > > > > > > > 'Yoga : Immortality and Freedom' > > > > > by Mircea Eliade > > > > > Princeton University Press, 1970 > > > > > > > > > > Read more: > > > > > > > > > > Subject: A decomposition of practice ertswhile abusers lore > > > > > Author: Willytex > > > > > Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental > > > > > Date: February 6, 2005 > > > > > http://tinyurl.com/ykqy7zh > > > > > > > > > > Other titles of interst: > > > > > > > > > > 'Shamanism: Archaic Techniques of Ecstasy' > > > > > by Mircea Eliade > > > > > Princeton University Press; 2004 > > > > > > > > > > 'The Yoga Tradition: Its History, Literature, > > > > > Philosophy and Practice' > > > > > by Georg Feuerstein and Ken Wilbur > > > > > Hohm Press, 2001 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
