You are repeating TM propaganda crap, as if the only other techniques are concentration and you know that is not true.
All of you have confirmed my suspicion that no one can come up with a logical credible reason that TM is a better or superior or more effective meditation than any other meditation, other than that Marshy said so. ________________________________ From: Mike Dixon <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 7:49 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders By the way, M used to say, in regards to mantras used in TM, that they are *meaningless sounds who's effects are known*. Many are closely associated with Saraswati, the goddess of learning. I would assume that these particular mantras stimulate the ability to learn and comprehend abstract thinking, the ability to understand the Veda. He also explained that experiencing a mantra on it's grossest level had one effect while experiencing it on it's subtlest had a much more powerful effect. The analogy he used was you can throw a rock at someone and bruise him or you could excite the atoms in the rock and vaporise him.< To answer you question below, Judy had it right, the instructions used in TM, teaches you how to get out of the way so that transcending can naturally happen. Their is nothing you can *do* to make yourself transcend. It happens automatically if you get out of the way. Most other meditation techniques tell you what to do and how to do it and tell you to focus on the instructions. Focus, concentration, requires effort. Effort makes the mind active and the idea of TM is for the mind to become less active while remaining alert. When you say, other instructions are *not much different*, THAT is the key here. Any effort, what so ever, retards the process of transcending. Getting checked , even after decades of TM, is beneficial because just hearing those same instructions after many years can be perceived differently and could have the effect of *greasing the skids*, causing less *friction*. My best meditations are when the *bottom falls out* and there I AM. From: Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders Okay, not superior but better - he absolutely said many times that TM was the best meditation to do. I wish some other TM teachers here would weigh in on this and explain to me how the instructions which are not much different than other meditations makes it better than any other. From: Mike Dixon <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 6:15 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders I'm not sure M ever said the mantras he gave were *superior*. It's the naturalness and effortlessness of the technique that is superior. It goes by it's self. There's no concentrating or effort made and is very effective. The mantras are just part of the tradition he came from as is the puja and so on. You could transcend just as easily on *Elohim*, if you didn't have any association with it and used the same instruction used in TM. From: Michael Jackson <mjackso...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 1:43 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders But you don't need TM to do that - so what about TM mantras are special? Cuz if it isn't the mantras, you can't seriously think the simple instructions given in the checking notes for example are responsible for TM being superior to all other meditation methods? From: Mike Dixon <mdixon.6...@yahoo.com> To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 4:08 PM Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders Correct, the actual instructions on meditation are simply like taking the correct angle on a diving board. Once the correct angle is reached, natural law(gravity) does the rest, you fall into the water. Once the mantra is thought effortlessly, the process of transcending begins. Making any effort at that point,holding onto or changing the rhythm, etc. stops the process of transcending. If we feel like we are *forgetting* the mantra, we let it go because that is when we are transcending. That *gap* between forgetting the mantra and a new thought arising is when we transcended. With practice, that gap gets more and more noticeable, to the point of no mantra and no thought, just silence, awareness of awareness. From: authfriend <authfri...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 12:11 PM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Mike Dixon wrote: > > Natural effortlessness. Bingo. Or more precisely, the specific instructional method Maharishi created (right down to the instruction to "Sit easily" rather than "Relax" at the start of checking). (The puja may be part of it as well--some TM teachers would say so, at any rate.) But the mantras TM uses are just plain ol' garden-variety bija mantras. Do a search for "bija mantra" (or "beeja" or "beej"), Michael, you'll find 'em all over the Web. They're said to be especially powerful, but they're not unique to TM. > ________________________________ > From: Michael Jackson > To: "mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com"; > mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Tuesday, March 5, 2013 10:31 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders > > Â > > Oh come on - Marshy always said TM was better than other meditations - for > that to be true, the particular set of mantras have to be superior to all > others. If not, what would then make TM better than other meditations? > > > > ________________________________ > From: sparaig > To: mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com > Sent: Tuesday, > March 5, 2013 1:12 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Question for TM Cheerleaders > > Â > All MMY claimed about TM mantras was: 1) they are not om or some other > monk-oriented mantra (if there are any, in his mind); 2) he deemed them to > be suitable for householders; 3) some mantras were more suitable for some > people than than others, and he chose a simple set that was reasonably > beneficial for anyone, though each was presumably more beneficial for some > people than others. MMY never claimed to be the ultimate expert on such > matters. The impression he gave was that he intuited a few things from the > tradition that he thought were most important and made them part of the TM > canon. L --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, "seekliberation" > wrote: > > They are superior in that if you pay for them, it fills up the > TMO's pockets with more money. More money = Superior. > > seekliberation > > > --- In mailto:FairfieldLife%40yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson wrote: > > > > > > > My question is, if the TM mantras are superior, how are they > superior? > > > >
