--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Ah, Xeno, thank you for this. I see you're still on a roll. Ok, in terms > of laws of nature, forget YFers for the nonce. Think about those fire > walking dufuses (dufusi ?) who don't even get blisters. Would you say they > are more or less in accord with the laws of nature governing fire and human > skin? I'd say they are more in accord with those laws. Or maybe they are > operating from the level of some laws that have a wider range of influence. > Or maybe it is just as you say, a redistribution of the functioning of the > existing laws of nature. But really, Xeno, what does redistribution mean in > this context?!Â
Fire walking has to do with transfer of heat. Hot coals are poor conductors of heat, and if the walk is quick enough, you are less likely to get burned. In the middle of last year, at a Tony Robbins seminar called 'Unleash the Power Within', a number of people fire walking got second and third degree burns. It may be the walk was not prepared properly; maybe they lingered too long. 'Coals, woodchips and similar combustibles are made up almost entirely of carbon, and it just so happens that carbon is positively miserable at conducting heat. Most metals, by comparison, are orders of magnitude more efficient at transferring heat than a smoldering coal or wood chip; if you've ever burnt your hand on a hot frying pan, you have an appreciation for just how conductive metal can be.' 'A layer of ash atop the coals serves as an additional protective barrier. Like the coals beneath it, ash is a poor conductor of thermal energy (so poor, in fact, that it has a history of use as insulation material in ice boxes). Add to this the fact that the ash is no longer producing any heat itself, and one can begin to appreciate how walking over a bed of 2000-degree coals might be possible.' If lumps of iron were used instead of coals, you would be doomed because iron is a great conductor of heat. You can get hit with a bolt of electricity from an electrostatic generator, but because it has low amperage, you are not likely to be harmed, though you certainly may feel the spark, but if you get hit with a bolt of lightning, which can have extremely high amperage, you are fried instantly. There was a Johnny MacKenzie who used to work at MIU. I was told he was on a trip and wanted to watch a thunderstorm in the Rocky Mountains. They found his body the next day. An example [Unless you are pretty well grounded, this video will be extremely disturbing - this is a sample the 'I am death, destroyer of worlds' part of the Bhagavad-Gita - photographed in India]: http://www.ebaumsworld.com/video/watch/80654598/ > About some one walking into a door, I think you'd have to know what their > purpose was before ascertaining what laws were governing the event. IOW, it > might not be just laws of physics and neurology etc. that were determining > the event. What if their nose as if dissolved into the door so that there > was no pain, no bruise, etc? I had an experience once where it felt like my > head dissolved into the wall I was leaning it against! > > > Jeez! Which 2 laws of nature would I choose to be out of accord with?! > The ones that come to mind are pretty wide reaching in influence. Ok, a cop > out: which 2 would you choose? > I don't know what they are, so how could I choose? > ________________________________ > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartaxius@...> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Friday, March 8, 2013 12:57 PM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: The Brain: More Complex Than We Think..... > > >  > Regarding the phrase 'all the laws of nature'; while in science we have > various equations and hypotheses that we think correspond to the way nature > functions, I have never heard within the movement any meaningful discussion > of what the specific laws of nature are, in the spiritual sense, that make up > 'all the laws of nature'. What are those laws? From the view point of > physics, we seem to have certain regularities in nature we call laws, and > everything seems to run according to them. There is also a random element > observed on the quantum mechanical level. It would seem the universe runs > according to all the laws of nature that we think we know about, and it is a > reasonable hypothesis that it runs according to all possible laws. If there > are other laws that we are somehow out of accord with, what are they? > > Can anybody name some of them, and describe the mechanisms by which they > function and tell us how we can observe how we are in accord or out of accord > with them? For example if someone walks into a door and bruises their nose > and experiences a lot of pain, this can reasonably be explained by the laws > of physics, and less precise subsets of physics such as chemistry, biology > and neurology to the extent we know them; the laws of physics provided the > environment for this situation and its happening. > > Being in accord with the laws of nature as a spiritual phenomenon seem more > psychological: 'I feel bad; I want to feel better; what do I do to feel > better? That is, the desire to end psychological suffering. Why does that > have anything to do with coming into accord with laws? How is becoming less > of a dufus, learning to be less inept, anything more than a redistribution of > the functioning of the existing laws of nature? > > Suppose, hypothetically, a mythological entity of great and surpassing power > came to you and told you that you could live in accord with the spiritual > laws of nature immediately by its fiat, except for two of those laws, and you > would have to choose two of those laws with which you would not be in accord, > but it would be up to you to choose which, and it would be up to you alone to > come into accord with those laws by whatever means you could muster. So which > two would you choose? What would they be? How would you even know what those > laws might be? >
