Hmmmm, well I guess they could have sex, or exercise, or maybe meditate, or maybe eat a pie....it's about the endorphins, is it not?, or other feel good chemicals, in the context you mention. If they are addicted to the endorphin rush and therefore activities that release the endorphins and they replace one with another - they are doomed to become addicted to whatever. Doesn't get to the issue of addiction very well. Although physical exercise is better for you than eating too much sugar or gambling all your money away in the heat of the moment.
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@...> wrote: > > Just the last few days I've been talking about addictions with a friend and > I've been thinking about them even longer. I'm not an expert but it seems > that even addicts who are addicted to an activity like shopping or gambling > or reading romance novels, such addicts are really addicted to whatever > chemical in their body that that activity releases. So for example, let's > say a gambling addict could tell somehow when their craving for that activity > was reaching a dangerously high level because the concomitant chemical was > reaching a dangerously low level. Instead of going to the local casino, > what if there was some way they could release that craved chemical in their > own body without ever going to the casino? > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Emily Reyn <emilymae.reyn@...> > To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 10:30 AM > Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign > kids get no punishment. > > >  > Re: "I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no > matter what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving > and deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own > physiology." > > Share, can you expand on this?  In that what do you mean by "monitor their > craving," no matter what.....and "deliver themselves some satisfying chemical > from inside......" > > > > >________________________________ > > From: Share Long <sharelong60@...> > >To: "FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com" <FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com> > >Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 8:22 AM > >Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign > >kids get no punishment. > > > > > > > >I wonder what would happen to the world economy if ALL addicts, no matter > >what their substance or activity, had a way to monitor their craving and > >deliver themselves some satisfying chemical from inside their own > >physiology. Thanks Doc and Curtis, your points make me think. > >And Ann, I agree with you about this morning: I was laughing my head off > >at the exchange between Nabby and Salya. > > > > > > > > > >________________________________ > > From: "doctordumbass@..." <doctordumbass@...> > >To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > >Sent: Saturday, March 9, 2013 6:32 AM > >Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: MUM kid expelled for pot but the foreign kids > >get no punishment. > > > > > > > >I do see your point, only the word, "drugs", is about as well understood as > >the word, "enlightenment" is.:-) What do you consider drugs? > > > >For the purpose of responding, I'll take the definition to mean illegal, > >psychoactive substances. Within that family, there is a huge amount of > >variability, in potency, danger, and effect. The anti-drug laws are made as > >a result of social policy, *not* health policy. Otherwise, of course, > >alcohol would be illegal. > > > >Given that understanding, lumping in weed with heroin, and cocaine, and > >meth, doesn't make a lot of sense, as the voters are increasingly > >indicating, nationwide. I don't advocate kids taking drugs, but I also make > >a distinction between those truly harmful substances, and those far less so. > > > >As with anything else, like chronically bashing TM and the TMO, frequency > >can veer off into addiction, and addiction is not a good idea, ever. > > > >--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > >> > >> > >> > > >> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > >> > > > >> > > To explain further, my daughter attends SFSU, and because the school > >> > > gets some funding from the feds, there is no dope smoking on campus. > >> > > Although slightly inconvenient, if you want a smoke, walk across the > >> > > street, off campus, and you can blow it in a cop's face with no > >> > > consequences - it IS San Francisco, after all. > >> > > > >> > > However, at the start of each year my daughter says there are always > >> > > the first two weeks with fire alarms going off every night in the > >> > > dorms, because students are getting high and the cops come haul them > >> > > off, every time. Stupid kids, just like the dork at MSAE. > >> > > > >> > > So its not a conformity thing (also, fyi, the only characteristic of > >> > > an enlightened mind, is its pristine emptiness), merely a way to live > >> > > life in a smart, considerate way, vs. the disruptive and painful > >> > > consequences of acting stupidly. > >> > > > >> > > So, if the dork is enabled to continue the way he was acting, and > >> > > lights up a doob at work, he would get what he deserves. > >> > > > >> > > >> > Yep, > >> > > >> > >Focused on The evident reality of the neuroplasticity of young > >> > >developing brains drug use in school age (up to age 25!) youth is a > >> > >pernicious problem for all of society and should not be condoned or > >> > >tolerated at all let alone facilitated by anyone. As a community as > >> > >the MSAE is about the full development of the person they certainly > >> > >have particular right to ask and require their students to be without > >> > >the use of drugs. One would hope any school for youth would hold to > >> > >that too. This is now just elemental developmental brain physiology > >> > >that should be societal policy; and people who get in the way of > >> > >protecting this and even corrupt the system by supplying drugs to youth > >> > >would be wholly strung up by all of civil society. > >> > > > >> > > > >> > >> For instance according to local newspapers, just recently in the courts > >> here there has been sentencing of some of the people who were supplying > >> illicit and corrupting drugs during some of the time of some of the > >> related incidents being reported in social media as the tale-bearing > >> tainting gossips about the MUM campus and MSAE school communities here. > >> Some family with dad and son evidently developed elaborate criminal > >> interstate rackets here initially with an open refrigerator-door to their > >> pot and cocaine for kids during those school years, they got figured out > >> by State and local law enforcement and the courts, with the son now > >> recently sent off to Federal penitentiary. The court determined these > >> guys were an incredibly corrupting element in the civil community, An > >> abomination. So it went and justice in a civil society worked and the > >> asocial proscribed. Evidently in a larger way according to the latest > >> science this is all in an accord with the > Natural Law of an appropriate brain physiology. And underneath it all is > the protection of the spirituality of our youth from corruption. I should > hope in the expressed illiberality of some writing here these writers are not > in fact advocating the licentious use of drugs by our youth. That would be a > serious shame. > >> --Buck > >> > >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > >> > > > > >> > > > I don't care if he got disciplined for picking his nose. He deserves > >> > > > what he gets, for getting caught. Anyone who hasn't learned how to > >> > > > take a discreet hit is not smart enough to go to college. What a > >> > > > dope. > >> > > > > >> > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" > >> > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > >> > > > > > >> > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > >> > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > I can't wait 'til the little dork lights up a doobie at his > >> > > > > > first job, and learns "no" MEANS "no".:-) > >> > > > > > >> > > > > Conformity and obedience are really the most valued qualities of > >> > > > > the enlightened mind aren't they? > >> > > > > > >> > > > > I don't suppose just getting bounced out of college is enough > >> > > > > punishment for doing such a horrible thing. It is more satisfying > >> > > > > to fantasize about him losing a job in the future. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > And he is such a little dork for doing exactly what almost every > >> > > > > poster here, as well as our last three presidents did... > >> > > > > > >> > > > > and ALL future presidents. > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > >> > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> > >> > > > > > > wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > Look, these kids were part of something very large and > >> > > > > > > > special within consciousness-based education. It is what > >> > > > > > > > their parents wanted and were hoping for them and were > >> > > > > > > > providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for their > >> > > > > > > > kids. Consciousness-based education. Did You Know That > >> > > > > > > > Meditating Just 15 Min a Day twice a day Could Change Your > >> > > > > > > > Life? You've heard of neuroplasticity, particularly in > >> > > > > > > > young brains? If these little shits are going to persist > >> > > > > > > > in screwing up their meditations and dulling the collective > >> > > > > > > > consciousness of the whole group with the smoke and haze of > >> > > > > > > > marijuana and other drugs then let them go to public > >> > > > > > > > education. Everyone knows the rules on drug use and > >> > > > > > > > meditation and why they are there. Jeesuus. Spare the rod, > >> > > > > > > > ruin the child. If and when the these children stop using > >> > > > > > > > marijuana they can come back to ideal education as better > >> > > > > > > > prepared students to make use of a large opportunity. Just > like the adult fallen away meditators can always re-apply to meditate in the > Domes with the large groups. There is quite a lot of empathy within the > system to facilitate consciousness-based education. If people can't follow > the simple rule about drug use for the good reasons of spiritual clarity, > they should live with the consequence until they clear up in this or some > other lifetime. For right now there is something much larger and much more > high-minded going on here than these little shits going out to get high with > drugs and dragging the community down along with them. I am entirely with > Bevan on this. Why be part of a community if the community can't protect > itself from such erosion as young kids using drugs. We're trying to do > something here that needs to be protected. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I'm sorry to be the one to break it to you Buck, kids are > >> > > > > > > going to smoke dope, they are going to experiment. They are NOT > >> > > > > > > going to be willing goody-goodies at all times no matter how > >> > > > > > > much parents want them to. I assume you were young once? > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > This is the bit that gives it away: > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > "It is what their parents wanted and were hoping for them and > >> > > > > > > were providing and many have sacrificed to make happen for > >> > > > > > > their kids" > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Do you really think what the parents wanted is going to be the > >> > > > > > > same as what the kids wanted? Sipping hot water and trudging to > >> > > > > > > the dome twice a day? You guys want to get real, that sort of > >> > > > > > > life is something you can choose to do when you know a bit > >> > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > life and have been round the block a few times, but to try to > >> > > > > > > inflict it (or any lifestyle) on your offspring is asking for > >> > > > > > > trouble. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > I would have done it to spite you when I was 18. Especially if > >> > > > > > > you > >> > > > > > > called me a little shit for not being as "high minded" as you, > >> > > > > > > you'd > >> > > > > > > get psylocibin mushrooms in your hot water for that! > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > Surely though, and I'm being serious here, if kids are smoking > >> > > > > > > dope where does that leave the idea of spontaneous right > >> > > > > > > action? > >> > > > > > > Where does that leave the idea of coherence in collective > >> > > > > > > consciousness? Where does that leave the research on drugs and > >> > > > > > > TM > >> > > > > > > that show people spontaneously give up drugs? If it don't work > >> > > > > > > at MUM it's going to be a tough sell for the rest of the world. > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > -Buck in the Dome > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > >> > > > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > >> > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" > >> > > > > > > > > > <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" > >> > > > > > > > > > > <LEnglish5@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Duveyoung > >> > > > > > > > > > > > <no_reply@> wrote: > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Facebook page: MUMSecrets > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > ‎ > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > #81: few years back every single person of Bld 141 > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > smoked pot. New Kid moves in and rats ME out to > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > the faculty. I get kicked out. foreign students > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > smoked pot, got ratted out. Faculty turns a blind > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > eye because they are from a different country. So > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > I discovered your policy is make examples of the > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Americans. I Love the meditation, and promoting > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > world peace. disappointed that your leaders > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > actions and mindset don't lead us down that path. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > Too many policies in place and enforced that have > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > created a great dissension in the movement. Hard > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > to promote Peace when half your movement hates you > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > for being so unforgiving and distrustful of people > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > who still wanna experience different ways, AND > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > meditation. My name is Matthew Speer. This story > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > isn't a secret. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > 29 years ago Nate Orme-Johnson was kicked off his > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Yogic Flying block, and later, out of MSAE, for > >> > > > > > > > > > > > having smoked pot within 6 months of his starting > >> > > > > > > > > > > > that block. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > We asked Nate what his parents thought, and he said > >> > > > > > > > > > > > that his dad just sat quietly, while his mom just > >> > > > > > > > > > > > knitted and smiled and rolled her eyes as Bevan > >> > > > > > > > > > > > berated him for doing such a foolish thing. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules, at least for 'Mericans, even if > >> > > > > > > > > > > > your mom and dad are bigwigs in the TM movement. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I'd love Morris to come round and try and lecture my > >> > > > > > > > > > > son about > >> > > > > > > > > > > something. I'd kick his fat arse into orbit. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > I bet a fanatic like Morris has never even stopped to > >> > > > > > > > > > > wonder why > >> > > > > > > > > > > these kids smoke dope. He probably went straight from > >> > > > > > > > > > > high school > >> > > > > > > > > > > into grovelling at Marshy's feet and the idea that > >> > > > > > > > > > > some young people > >> > > > > > > > > > > might like to experiment and [gasp] have a bit of > >> > > > > > > > > > > unregulated, non- > >> > > > > > > > > > > satvic fun is probably quite shocking to the vedic > >> > > > > > > > > > > dictatorship. > >> > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Rules are rules. The kids knew for years in advance that > >> > > > > > > > > > if they smoked pot within 6 months of taking the > >> > > > > > > > > > TM-Sidhis course, they weren't allowed on the course so > >> > > > > > > > > > going on the course and getting caught was de facto > >> > > > > > > > > > lying about something extremely (one assumes) important > >> > > > > > > > > > to them. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Of course, every kid on the course had smoked pot that > >> > > > > > > > > > day as they were all from MSAE and had been at the same > >> > > > > > > > > > party in Des Moines, but only certain ones got caught, > >> > > > > > > > > > and they covered for the rest. > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > Even so, rules are rules. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > Rules are for breaking. Can't believe anyone is surprised > >> > > > > > > > > about > >> > > > > > > > > it. Get a bunch of teenagers and tell them not to smoke > >> > > > > > > > > dope, what happens? Duh. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > I bet the TMO think that mere exposure to puja table is > >> > > > > > > > > enough to > >> > > > > > > > > overwrite all their inquisitive exhuberance. After reading > >> > > > > > > > > MUM > >> > > > > > > > > secrets I'm happy to say they seem quite normal and > >> > > > > > > > > preoccupied > >> > > > > > > > > with the natural tendencies for their age. Except the > >> > > > > > > > > pissing down > >> > > > > > > > > the stairs bit, that's a bit weird. > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > L > >> > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
