On Sat, Mar 9, 2013 at 9:31 PM, seventhray27 <steve.sun...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> ** > > > I'm turning in Ravi. Hope you have a good nights sleep (-: > Thank you dear Steve, love you. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> > wrote: > > > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:20 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@... wrote: > > > > > Not at all Ravi. > > > > > > > Of course you are !!! > > > > > It's just that when you take an aggressvie tone with people, either > because you're just that "playful", or "enlightened", or just wanting to > "push people's buttons", then people can do the same right back at you, > maybe because they're "stupid",or "ignorant", or "can't take a joke". > Perhaps that is how you would look at it. Or at least that is how you > generally refer to me. > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula chivukula.ravi@wrote: > > > > > > > > Are you serious dear Steve? You trying to argue with me? Just for > argument's sake? > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 9:05 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Ravi, just let me know if you wish to look at some examples of > what an idiot truly is. I will be more than happy to provide such examples > from your own public postings here. Is this something you'd like to compare > and contrast? > > > > > > > > > > Just let me know, and I promise I'll keep it on the level. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > chivukula.ravi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:51 PM, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > chivukula.ravi@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 9, 2013, at 8:22 PM, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" > steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Judy, I'm afraid you are not making a lot of sense. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you are! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL..a very strategy to deal with this idiot. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of course you are! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You lost it, I am what? Hard to believe you are a native > speaker. Now I extend this privilege of calling you an idiot for the rest > of eternity..LOL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <authfriend@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > > > > > > curtisdeltablues@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" > <authfriend@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "curtisdeltablues" > > > > > > > > > > <curtisdeltablues@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, > "authfriend" <authfriend@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yeah, I don't think this covers the comparison > with cocaine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and gambling. That goes beyond just being > honest about your > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > own POV. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The reward centers of our brains do not make the > value > > > > > > > > > > > > > > judgements about what triggers the endorphins. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Duh. Right, you do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point is that it happens on another level of the > brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > You were accusing me of making a comparison between > TM and > > > > > > > > > > > > drugs and gambling but it was on the wrong brain > functioning > > > > > > > > > > > > level. I am talking about an area of the brain where > they > > > > > > > > > > > > are more similar in effect. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I'm talking about word choice. But you knew that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > My point concerns the content free reward system > itself. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And since I spent a lot of time being fulltime I > saw a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > lot of people whose lives were a wreck from > their fixation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > on meditation. Later after I got out I spent > time with > > > > > > > > > > > > > > families who had been torn apart by their kids > over- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > involvement and inability to support themselves. > So the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > comparisons with other activities that can > incapacitate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > people due to an uncontrollable urge like for > rounding > > > > > > > > > > > > > > courses is not without some basis in my > experience. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I didn't say it never happened. Of course it does. > But I > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't believe--I'd have to be shown hard evidence > to the > > > > > > > > > > > > > contrary--that it's common among TMers generally. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said , what is most common among TMers is > that they > > > > > > > > > > > > quit TM and I know this for a fact. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Non sequitur, since we're talking about people who > > > > > > > > > > > practice TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You said it yourself: you were/are the type of > person who > > > > > > > > > > > > > does get addicted, and you chose to spend time in > an > > > > > > > > > > > > > environment that catered to that addiction, with > others > > > > > > > > > > > > > who were likely to be vulnerable to it as well. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I was the type of person who had really charming > experiences > > > > > > > > > > > > in meditation. It was the goal of the practice to > have the > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences I was having. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That must have been one of the "secret teachings" not > > > > > > > > > > > divulged to the hoi polloi. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In my experience the more charming, the more > addictive. > > > > > > > > > > > > But this is content free positive experience > divorced from > > > > > > > > > > > > achievement. I am calling into question the whole > goal of > > > > > > > > > > > > the yoga systems including TM. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, including TM for those privy to the "secret > > > > > > > > > > > teachings," but not including TM for the ordinary TMer, > > > > > > > > > > > who, in my experience, was told most emphatically that > > > > > > > > > > > the value of TM was one's experience in activity, not > > > > > > > > > > > one's experience during meditation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think it behooves you to make this very clear > when you > > > > > > > > > > > > > deliver your POV, especially when you're talking > to someone > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is unlikely to be able to figure it out on his > or her > > > > > > > > > > > > > own. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So you think Emily was confused that I am always > > > > > > > > > > > > expressing my own POV when I post here? I'll give her > > > > > > > > > > > > a bit more credit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh, please, Curtis, you don't limit yourself to your > own > > > > > > > > > > > POV here, including in this exchange. Just for one > example, > > > > > > > > > > > above you write, "It was the goal of the practice to > have > > > > > > > > > > > the experiences I was having." And you refer to what > you're > > > > > > > > > > > questioning as "the whole goal of the yoga systems > including > > > > > > > > > > > TM." Those are statements made as if of established > fact. And > > > > > > > > > > > they may *be* established fact. My point is that you > make > > > > > > > > > > > factual statements as well as POV statements, but some > of > > > > > > > > > > > your POV statements are indistinguishable from your > factual > > > > > > > > > > > statements. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is not a matter of PR. This is a matter of > doing > > > > > > > > > > > > > one's best not to mislead people. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And how many times in a personal opinion post on an > opinion > > > > > > > > > > > > forum should I make this disclaimer to avoid being > accused > > > > > > > > > > > > of misleading people? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Shouldn't you be doing this too? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, we all should. Again, though, my point is that > when > > > > > > > > > > > you make a post that includes factual statements and > POV > > > > > > > > > > > statements *and* statements made as if they were > factual > > > > > > > > > > > that are really POV statements, readers can easily be > > > > > > > > > > > confused, especially if they aren't practitioners. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hear ye hear ye, from now on, if you see any post of > mine > > > > > > > > > > > > here on FFL, it represents my own POV on any topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll assume that this covers it once and for all. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Let's see what happens in your future posts, shall we? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Reply via web post Reply to sender Reply to group Start a New > Topic Messages in this topic (100) > > > > > RECENT ACTIVITY: New Members 4 > > > > > Visit Your Group > > > > > To subscribe, send a message to: > > > > > fairfieldlife-subscr...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > > > Or go to: > > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ > > > > > and click 'Join This Group!' > > > > > Switch to: Text-Only, Daily Digest • Unsubscribe • Terms of > Use • > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
