Close to Camp Pendleton - but seeklib I have some terrible news, the Feds pulled the plug on this whole thing - god just when I had a chance of a confrontation with someone from FFL. That's the thing with Obama - some wonderful things and some not so wonderful things. This is why I feel so good reading Xeno, I feel safe, secure, seemingly unaccountable for anything because I know there are excellent things, good things and average, mediocre and bad. No one is perfect - everyone has flaws. OMG - this platitude waving, fence sitting language is really turning me on. I feel myself slipping into Unity from this bliss that's arising after diminishing life's complexities into a set of platitudes.
No worries seeklib - so I'm fine. We can still meet, we will adapt - on the streets somewhere - it's all good. On Mar 11, 2013, at 11:49 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberat...@yahoo.com> wrote: > What is the name of the place you run? Is it on Camp Pendleton, or just near > it? I've never been at Pendleton for any longer than a couple months, but > some of my friends said that there are some pro/ameatur fighters that come > and train with them on the base there. Glad to see your sense of humor is > still intact. > > seekliberation > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> > wrote: > > > > No, no seeklib - this is all legal, legit - federally approved, funded > > centre that I run where we have controlled, combat style confrontations - > > so yeah bring all your combat gear. I mean I undertook a massive research > > on how to reduce butt bleeding for fence sitters on spiritual forums. I am > > surprised a military man like you has never heard of this. Yeah I'm a very > > popular man at Camp Pendleton - here's a photo of mine on a completely > > unrelated blog post > > > > http://ravirawat.blogspot.com/2012/12/women-prefer-thin-men-over-macho-males.html?m=1 > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:48 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@...> wrote: > > > > > I'm in the military, so it's likely I could get stationed there some day, > > > and I go to training there once in a while. Whenever I go anywhere for > > > training, I try to find a school to train at just for a day or two by > > > paying daily costs only just so I don't lose everything. > > > > > > As far as 'physical confrontation fantasized below'....if you're talking > > > about a street fight, or something outside of a fighting arena with some > > > safety measures in place....then i'll just pass your rant off and not > > > respond any further. Moreover, even if it was in a safe environment, if I > > > sense any intention to cause serious bodily harm, that turns this into a > > > self-defense issue, in which case there are no tap-outs, either something > > > breaks, or someone goes to sleep. I'm not engaging in that. Moreover, > > > there is nothing that I posted towards you that should invoke a desire to > > > cause serious harm to me. > > > > > > I thought that perhaps you have some place you train at. Do you? If so, > > > i'll get in touch with you if I ever head out that way and try to link up > > > with you at that gym. I never get to train/spar with other > > > meditators/siddhas (I am assuming you are one), so it would be an honor > > > likewise. However....like I said before, if you're looking at a no-shit > > > fight, i'm sure you've got plenty of fighters right there in Encinitas to > > > work with. I know a lot of pro/amaetur fighters that come from there, you > > > don't need me one bit...you've already got your work cut out for you in > > > southern Cali which is the home of a ton of great fighters. Moreover, my > > > career will shit the bed if i'm known to be getting in real fights > > > without due cause. And if an investigation occured, this whole > > > conversation would incriminate both of us. > > > > > > You sound like someone who lives a bit on the edge while I have a career > > > and a wife to take care of, so I have to go the conservative route with > > > this one. > > > > > > By the way...from your posts, i've seen plenty of others say some pretty > > > shitty things to you in the past, what exactly was it from mine that > > > caused you to mention violence? > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Awesome - email me when you are in the San Diego area, I am in > > > > Encinitas. It will be an honor to confront you personally. (I'm hoping > > > > you are not Brain dead enough to think this is some physical > > > > confrontation as fantasized below..LOL) > > > > > > > > Till then enjoy your vacation and continue your orgies with Xeno. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 1:16 PM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Pitbull over a poodle? If you're looking for a sparring partner, i'm > > > > > in NC, let me know if you visit. To keep things legal, gloves, > > > > > headgear, mouthpiece are required and we'll maintain our sparring > > > > > bout in a controlled environment (boxing ring, wrestling mat, etc..). > > > > > I travel a lot, so chances are I may end up in your state some day as > > > > > well. > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > > <chivukula.ravi@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > You are a fucking idiot seeklib - take your fence-sitting, garbage > > > > > > platitude belief system elsewhere or have an orgy with Xeno. > > > > > > > > > > > > Clearly you have read my posts but it hasn't gone into your fucking > > > > > > head > > > > > > because of the dense fucking belief system you have insulated > > > > > > yourselves > > > > > > with. I don't take insults - I'm a fucking giver you hear me, I am > > > > > > compassionate you dumb moron - I give, I give insults and am the > > > > > > most > > > > > > coolest, meanest, relaxed person and I hope you are fortunate > > > > > > enough to > > > > > > never meet me because I will be all over you like a pitbull over a > > > > > > poodle. > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Mar 11, 2013 at 12:36 PM, seekliberation > > > > > > <seekliberation@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > dude, take something to relax, soon. I never mentioned anything > > > > > > > about > > > > > > > 'mediocre minds', only 'mediocre posts'. I don't know any > > > > > > > 'mediocre minds' > > > > > > > on this forum at all, but have seen many mediocre posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > For example, TurqB is by no means a dunce when it comes to his > > > > > > > depth of > > > > > > > thought on some subjects....be he has a lot of mediocre posts > > > > > > > where he does > > > > > > > nothing but rant about something (or someone) who is irritating > > > > > > > him on FFL. > > > > > > > That's my example of a mediocre post. Or in your case, ranting > > > > > > > and refering > > > > > > > to me as an idiot, another mediocre post. I've read a lot of your > > > > > > > posts and > > > > > > > know you have a lot better things to share than that. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I remember there was a time when FFL first started, it was > > > > > > > primarily about > > > > > > > topics regarding spirituality, religion, and it's all the > > > > > > > philisophical > > > > > > > topics that I miss. In the last 2-3 years, maybe even longer, it > > > > > > > has become > > > > > > > a soap opera. In every soap opera, you've got your romances > > > > > > > (bonds between > > > > > > > specific posters), you have your villian (TurqB), and you've got > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > other posters who seem to come off as positive or negative, > > > > > > > depending on > > > > > > > everyone's perception. As a result, we have a lot of dull > > > > > > > episodes that > > > > > > > drag on, in which case I tend to stop participating. Then > > > > > > > something that > > > > > > > looks deep or thoughtful comes along (or just something that > > > > > > > resonates with > > > > > > > me), and I like to throw in a sentance or two that results in > > > > > > > several > > > > > > > responses. I'm not irritated by it, I just recognize it for what > > > > > > > it is. Not > > > > > > > every class at MIU/MUM was the greatest, but there were pearls of > > > > > > > wisdom > > > > > > > often enough. Not every moment with my wife, nor every workout at > > > > > > > the gym > > > > > > > is awesome....but i'll always stick with it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So if you took insult....relax. It's just another lifetime. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula > > > > > > > <chivukula.ravi@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh seeklib - you are a fucking saint dude - where the fuck have > > > > > > > > you have > > > > > > > been while we mediocre minds were going batshit crazy. Have you > > > > > > > ever met > > > > > > > Xeno - I have a feeling you two idiots will totally love each > > > > > > > other. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mar 11, 2013, at 3:56 AM, "seekliberation" <seekliberation@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regarding 'same old, same old', I can't say i've seen much > > > > > > > > > over the > > > > > > > last several years that doesn't fall into that category. I will > > > > > > > say > > > > > > > however, the last 2 days of looking at posts has been somewhat > > > > > > > atrocious. > > > > > > > Rather than being a deep discussion about some philisophical > > > > > > > point, it > > > > > > > turned into a ridiculous game of ping-pong. But then again, > > > > > > > nothing can be > > > > > > > great all the time. There will always be dull moments, exciting > > > > > > > moments, > > > > > > > and mediocre moments in anything. FFL is certainly no exception, > > > > > > > and > > > > > > > therefore nothing to really complain about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > seekliberation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find it difficult to believe that anyone can see the > > > > > > > > > > events of the last few days on FFL as anything other than > > > > > > > > > > the same people repeating the same things they've done > > > > > > > > > > for years. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > First, Judy attempts to lure Curtis into one of her long, > > > > > > > > > > "I win by definition" arguments by *appearing* to ask > > > > > > > > > > reasonable questions. Then Curtis falls for it, and tries > > > > > > > > > > his best to address her questions, while respecting the > > > > > > > > > > fact that she sees things that way, given her near-absolute > > > > > > > > > > lack of experience within the TMO, and that she is trying > > > > > > > > > > her best to pretend that the reality of the TMO and the > > > > > > > > > > things it teaches are the same as that presented in the > > > > > > > > > > intro lectures. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As *everyone* here expected, within a couple of posts Judy > > > > > > > > > > was back to name-calling. That WAS the whole purpose of her > > > > > > > > > > questions in the first place, after all, to open up an > > > > > > > > > > opportunity for her to yell at one of her long-term enemies > > > > > > > > > > and attempt to get other people to do the same. And sure > > > > > > > > > > enough, her cohorts in idiocy did just that, with Ann, Ravi, > > > > > > > > > > and Jim piling on to diss not only Curtis, but *anyone* who > > > > > > > > > > found what he said accurate, or even interesting. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > WHY do people keep falling for this shit? You KNOW what is > > > > > > > > > > going to happen if you interact with Judy Stein? You KNOW > > > > > > > > > > that within a couple of "pretend nice" posts she'll have > > > > > > > > > > turned it into another of her bat-shit-crazy demonization > > > > > > > > > > sessions. WHY do you even bother to get involved? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman is not worth pissing on, much less conversing > > > > > > > > > > with. ANYONE here, including Steve, myself, and anyone with > > > > > > > > > > half a brain and a memory, KNEW what was going to happen > > > > > > > > > > the moment that Curtis took the bait. And, of course, > > > > > > > > > > it did. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The amazing part to me is that people who actually WERE > > > > > > > > > > part of the TMO, and got involved with it past the point > > > > > > > > > > of the duplicitous intro lectures, bother to try to argue > > > > > > > > > > things with a couple of people who never did. (Jim and > > > > > > > > > > Judy) THEY never had any experience of what was *really* > > > > > > > > > > taught to TM teachers, and of the pressures put on them > > > > > > > > > > to make sacrifices and ignore other responsibilities to > > > > > > > > > > be "full-time" and to "go on the Next Course, the one > > > > > > > > > > that will finally work for you." Neither of them cared > > > > > > > > > > enough about Maharishi and his teachings to ever even > > > > > > > > > > try to MEET Maharishi, ferchrissakes. EVERYTHING they > > > > > > > > > > say is based on taped lectures or stuff they've read; > > > > > > > > > > NOTHING based on rubber-meets-the-road experience within > > > > > > > > > > the organization they're so desperate to defend, at the > > > > > > > > > > peon level, the level of student that Maharishi didn't > > > > > > > > > > even bother to try to rip off and indoctrinate...unless > > > > > > > > > > they were rich, of course. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So what they do is parrot the things that *they* heard, > > > > > > > > > > in the intro lectures and the few short courses they did > > > > > > > > > > manage to show up for, and pretend that this is "how TM > > > > > > > > > > was really taught." That's total BULLSHIT, and I'm aghast > > > > > > > > > > that people keep falling for it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Please, people, LEARN from this and "avoid the pain that > > > > > > > > > > has not yet come" next time. The *next* time Judy tries > > > > > > > > > > to lure one of you into her endless arguments, recognize > > > > > > > > > > in advance that all she is doing is trying to set up yet > > > > > > > > > > another opportunity to yell at someone. That's ALL she > > > > > > > > > > has, and ALL that she lives for. She's the Internet > > > > > > > > > > counterpart of a shopping cart lady, cruising the streets > > > > > > > > > > looking deperately for someone -- ANYONE -- to scream at. > > > > > > > > > > Do what smart passersby learn to do with such bag ladies, > > > > > > > > > > and IGNORE HER DEMENTED ASS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
