--- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Thank you for answering.

No, thank you for wearing the leather bondage outfit
and jumping through hoops *so* she would answer.  :-)

> --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > <snip>
> > > > Here's the post you were responding to (which is
> > > > referring to a satirical TMO press release Barry
> > > > crafted, which you said you had taken seriously
> > > > until halfway through it):
> > > > 
> > > > --------------
> > > > > --- In [email protected], Peter 
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > > We say this over and over again on this newsgroup, but
> > > > > it speaks volumns about the present state of the TMO
> > > > > when outrageous satire of the TMO is initially
> > > > > perceived as "rational" movement discourse!
> > > > 
> > > > Does it speak volumes about the present state of
> > > > the TMO, or about how people on this forum tend to
> > > > perceive the TMO?
> > > > 
> > > > I knew this was satire after reading the title.
> > > 
> > > The question I posted for you to answer were relevant to your 
> above 
> > > comments, Judy, because Tantra's satire was very, very close to 
> the 
> > > reality that the TMO had become.
> > > 
> > > But you seem to NOT feel that way because you were, unlike me, 
> able 
> > > to recognize it as satire as soon as you read the title.
> > > 
> > > So I countered by asking you the question that I did because I 
> > > wanted to see if you would have started TM when you did had the 
> > > absurd reality of present-day TMO been prevalent then...
> > 
> > Now, that wasn't so hard, was it?
> > 
> > The answer is, of course, almost certainly not.  I
> > can think of only one circumstance under which I 
> > might have: If I had had a good friend who had been
> > practicing TM and was familiar with the organization,
> > who had explained to me that I could ignore all the
> > crazy stuff and just learn and practice the technique.
> > 
> > As it was, I didn't know anybody who practiced TM
> > when I started, so all I knew about it was its
> > public face.  If it had been charging the same prices
> > then as it does now (even adjusted for inflation), 
> > that would probably have discouraged me as well.  (I
> > paid $125 to learn in 1975.)
> > 
> > But Shemp, you knew this is how I would answer when
> > you asked the question, which is one reason I didn't
> > bother to answer.  As I said earlier, it was a
> > rhetorical question, not a request for information.
> > 
> > Not only that, your rhetorical question didn't make
> > the point you explain above that you intended--and
> > you even supply the reason why it didn't: You note
> > that Barry's satire wasn't close enough to the reality,
> > as far as I was concerned, to make me uncertain as
> > to whether it was serious.
> > 
> > In fact, you prove *my* point, which was that the
> > inability to recognize Barry's piece as satire had
> > more to do with one's perception of the organization
> > than with the reality of the organization.  As nutty
> > as the TMO now is, even so nutty that it would have
> > dissuaded me from starting TM, it's nowhere near *as*
> > nutty as Barry's piece suggested.  One would have to
> > have a really unrealistic view of the TMO to be taken
> > in by it.  I don't think even *Barry* expected that.




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