Yeah it's lost on both MJ and Barry that the feather performed a very useful, necessary function - isn't that the point of any mantra or practice - to call it meaningless is so stupid. I tried so hard to chant mantras, meditate - I never could and gave it up. I just stuck to singing.
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 2:06 PM, Ann <awoelfleba...@yahoo.com> wrote: > ** > > > Come ooooon, you gotta laugh MJ. Barry has been practicing for a while it > appears. I wonder if he realizes how much he repeats himself? But now he > has someone to thank for bringing it clearly, indisputably to his > attention. Barry? Got anything to say other than, "Only someone from New > Jersey with no life would have bothered to look this up."? > > Still laughing.... > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > wrote: > > > > > > Damn it, I write a bunch of stuff and Turq says it 10 > > > times more eloquently that I do > > > > That's because (with regard to "Dumbo's feather") he's > > said it 10 times before here: > > > > 2/4/13 > > > > I think of it similar to Dumbo's feather, in the old Disney > > movie. Dumbo believed (was told) that the feather he held > > in his trunk had magical powers, and was the reason he could > > fly. But in reality he could fly because of his big-assed > > ears. The feather was a placebo to trick him into doing what > > he had been capable of doing all along. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/334480 > > > > > > 2/8/11 > > > > She characterized what people *perceive* as darshan as > > "Dumbo's feather." If you remember back to the Disney > > movie, Dumbo believed he could fly because he had been > > given a magical feather. Only thing was, it wasn't > > magical. It was just a normal feather. But as long > > as he believed it was magical, it got him high (in > > his fictional case, literally). > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/269265 > > > > > > 2/15/10 > > > > The TM mantra is the spiritual counterpart to Dumbo's > > feather. Dumbo could always fly; he just needed a > > meaningless prop and a good sales spiel before he > > could realize it. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/241345 > > > > > > 9/3/09 > > > > The second concept on which we might differ is about > > "nudges," as you describe them. While I certainly admit > > that they exist, and have experienced such "nudges" > > myself, I tend to think of them as "Dumbo's feather." > > That is, placebos. I see such "nudges" as ways to trick > > the person into realizing what is already present, and > > has always already been present. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/229011 > > > > > > 4/29/08 > > > > In other words, I see systems of any kind as being > > kinda like Dumbo's feather. The feather didn't > > "make" Dumbo fly; he could fly all along. The > > feather was a placebo that tricked Dumbo into > > doing what he had been able to do all along. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/175308 > > > > > > 6/30/07 > > > > Basically, I see astrology and all other "predic- > > tive technologies" as the Dumbo's feathers of the > > universe. Remember Dumbo, from the Disney cartoon? > > When he held the feather in his trunk, he could > > fly. The feather didn't do diddleysquat; Dumbo's > > belief that it did was all that mattered. IMO, > > that's the only reason that astrology appears > > to "work." > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/142519 > > > > > > 11/24/06 > > > > I don't think that the TM siddhis do anything at all; > > any effect is the result of the "Dumbo's feather" > > syndrome, also known as the placebo effect, also known > > as moodmaking. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/124152 > > > > > > 10/30/06 > > > > Remember the Disney cartoon "Dumbo?" His friend and > > mentor gives him a "magical feather" that allows him > > to fly when he holds it in his trunk. The thing is, > > the feather wasn't magical. It was a *trick*, some- > > thing that allowed Dumbo to transcend his own self- > > imposed limitations and realize an ability that had > > always been available to him. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/121069 > > > > > > 5/8/06 > > > > Remember "Dumbo?" Dumbo was convinced that it was > > the "magic feather" given to him by his guru that > > enabled him to fly, so he flew. As it turns out, > > the feather never did diddleysquat; the ability to > > fly was always present, just not realized. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/97433 > > > > > > 3/18/06 > > > > The analogy I think is appropriate here is Dumbo's > > feather. Dumbo the elephant believed that the > > "magic feather" given to him was what enabled > > him to fly, and that it was special. But it was > > a trick. He never needed *anything* to be able > > to fly. > > > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/91429 > > > > > > > > > - I might as well just wait for your post and say ditto - as to the > alternative movement, I did post a detailed expression of what I would do > if I were to be put in charge of the TMO - but I'm too lazy to look it up. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com> > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 3:02 PM > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual harassment > - "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > > Â > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > no thoughts no mantra no TMO > > > > > > My suspicion is that in the future mantras will be looked > > > upon as the "Dumbo's feathers" they always were. If you > > > can remember back to seeing that movie when you were a > > > kid, Dumbo was told that the only thing that allowed him > > > to fly (transcend) was holding a magic feather in his > > > trunk. > > > > > > It was never magic. It was just a feather. > > > > > > Mantras don't "allow" people to transcend. They trick > > > people into recognizing what has always already been > > > present. > > > > > > As for the nature of this "new movement" that Buck talks > > > about, well that's another question, isn't it? It's *easy* > > > to rail against what is, here and now, today. It's not > > > quite as easy to come up with an alternative. > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > From: sound of stillness <soundofstillness@> > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2013 2:23 PM > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Girish Varma accused of sexual > harassment - "The New Movement" - Buck > > > > > > > > It think it was in Stephen Cope's book 'Yoga and the Quest for the > True Self' that Stephen describes the changes the Kripalu Institute made > after it's founder, Amrit Desai, was asked to leave. > > > > > > > > Who is "the new movement" that you mention? > > > > > > > > If in the end, we pass the "Buck" to you, how do you see the new > movement unfolding? > > > > > > > > What's the vision bro? > > > > > > > > Michael > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" <dhamiltony2k5@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > This is really a fabulous opportunity for the new movement to come > forward and say,"We are not that!" and put good people in to those > facilities with an expectation of good and honorable behavior from the > whole movement. Make it clear. Make a break from the past. Even for the guy > at the top. > > > > > -Buck > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Interesting this comes out now. We were just talking here > comparing TM and the Papists the other morning. > > > > > > > Such synchrony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, navashok <no_reply@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure people here are aware that there is a new > sensitivity in India with regard to sexism, especially in Delhi, after this > gang-rape case, which is still going on. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The movement should go into quick action and fire him, > otherwise the movement in India will be dead. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > According to the newspaper accounts > > > > > > it is more than sexual harassment, > > > > > > 'twas molestation and predatory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a modern world the TM-movement still does not have sexual > harassment guideline for its employees and officers? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Alex Stanley" > <j_alexander_stanley@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well, you know what they say... if it's got tits, tires, > or testicles, there's gonna be trouble. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is extremely saddening and I feel very sorry for > everyone around it now, for all the good people who work properly with > extreme propriety to make things work well and achieve great things. This > is disheartening sickening. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She's a very brave person. He's a very powerful man. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bill Coop > <williamgcoop@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Vidya Mandir chairman accused of > molestation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > A married woman working as a teacher at Maharishi > Vidya Mandir in > > > > > > > > > > > > Bhopal< > http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/topic/Bhopal> > > > > > > > > > > > > has filed a complaint against the chairman of > Maharishi Vidya Mandir group > > > > > > > > > > > > of schools Girish Chandra Varma for molestation and > mental torture. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Varma has just been granted bail in a firing > incident earlier this year at > > > > > > > > > > > > Maharishi Mahesh Yogi Ashram in Allahabad and came > back to Bhopal couple of > > > > > > > > > > > > days ago. > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman filed a complaint to the State Women's > Commission (SWC) alleging > > > > > > > > > > > > that Varma threatened that she and her husband, who > also worked with the > > > > > > > > > > > > group, would lose their jobs if she failed to > cooperate with him. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The woman said that the accused used to insist her > husband take her along > > > > > > > > > > > > on tours to other cities and countries. Each time, a > five star hotel was > > > > > > > > > > > > booked with adjoining rooms. Varma would send her > husband away on errands > > > > > > > > > > > > and then molest her. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > She did not say anything earlier fearing social > ostracism but when it > > > > > > > > > > > > became too much to take, she told her husband and > decided to file a > > > > > > > > > > > > complaint. > > > > > > > > > > > > There have been counter allegations that the husband > had been trying to > > > > > > > > > > > > extort money from Varma since 2011 for a new house > with claims that he sent > > > > > > > > > > > > various abusive e-mails and letters to Varma and > maligned Varma's image on > > > > > > > > > > > > social networking sites. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2013-03-08/bhopal/37560420_1_molestation-husband-complaint > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
