--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "curtisdeltablues" <curtisdeltablues@...> wrote: > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > I am saying is he should shit or get off the pot (to put > > it rather crudely). I am making no value judgements here > > about the quality of the discourse or even the value of > > it. It is just that Curtis keeps coming back for more > > all the while lamenting his "predicament". I am just > > tired of hearing him whinge, that's all. Either he > > should get on with it or move along to the next subject.
Before commenting on your reply, Curtis, which was IMO just Right On, nailing the somewhat the somewhat questionable sanity of Ann's interest in all of this, I should point out that she has a point. Contrary to what others have said here recently, YOU did not "come back to FFL" as a result of Robin's presence here. As I remember it, this last appear- ance of his was occasioned by YOUR return to FFL. He "came back" specifically so he could rag on me in Judy's absence, and when I didn't react to his provocations, he turned his attentions to you, hoping that he could lure you back into one of his "confrontations." In this, he succeeded. After all this time, you should know his tactics, and his intent, and know better than to get involved. But it's your choice; you seem to be getting something out of interacting with him, so if so, continue, as long as it is fun or interesting for you. I am not in a position to criticize this, having been sucked into similar "confrontations" with Judy for so many years. Finally I decided they -- and her -- were simply not worth my time. Now, to what you said, re Ann... > My interaction with another poster is causing YOU > discomfort. Think about that. That's really the issue with Ann's involvement here. Nothing that goes on between you and Robin concerns her in the least, but she *takes advantage of it* to berate you and defend Robin. Given the fact that we are talking about a person (Ann) who was verbally and psychically abused by Robin for 3-1/2 FUCKING YEARS, one simply has to wonder WHY. Ann's act has always had a "Patty Hearst" feel to it for me, as if she's still carrying a torch for the cult leader who captured her attention and sucked her into his sick games so many years ago. I still cannot help but believe that it is her attachment to the intensity that cult experience had for her that drives her sad defense of Robin all these years later, and her inability to see that HIS ACT HAS NOT CHANGED. He is *still* trying to run the "I'm in charge here...I am the cult leader and you *have* to stand there and let me yell at you because *I* know you better than you know yourself, because I'm so...so...special and all...further more you *have* to respond to my yelling" act. He tries to run it on you, on me, and on whoever else he thinks he can get to fall for it. So *many* people here have commented on the nature of this act that it is incomprehensible to me that Ann does not, or can not, see it. > The issue here is not how I choose my interactions with > another poster. It is about the reaction you are having > to it. Bingo. Ann has *no place* in the interactions you choose to have with Robin. Neither does Judy, or any of her other minions. WHY do they keep trying to insinuate themselves into the situation? > And one of your blind spots is that you don't have to > read any of it. But you do. > > Obviously there is a level of interest in the interaction > for me, but it is not unlimited, and I enforce my own > level of interest boundaries, despite being goaded to > continue ad infinitum. I continue till I have expressed > what I wanted to express and then I stop. As any sane person would. > There is no end with Robin until I end it and that cycle > has repeated itself here many times. As only an insane person would dispute is the nature of Robin's game. The man is positively DERANGED behind keeping you "in the game." I mean, he claims that succeeding in getting you to respond to him is "making you come." THAT'S FUCKING CRAZY, man...over the top, straight jacket stuff. ( At the same time, it is quite revealing that he feels that way about the "confrontations" he tries to stage. He probably felt the same way when he was yelling at Ann onstage. In his mind he wasn't abusing her; he was making her come. ) > So your advice IS a judgement about the value of the > interactions for me, you think I should stop or if I > continue, I shouldn't complain about how Robin is > acting in the discussion. I have never complained > about the choices I have made to interact with him. > But somehow the way I am interacting with him bothers > you in a way that the way he is interacting with me > does not. Of course. YOU are not submitting to his abuse. She did. > Think about why this would be important to YOU. Exactly. > You are working out your own stuff that is getting > triggered from my interaction with Robin. MY interaction > with Robin is not the issue you should be focusing on > if you spent three and a half years daily with this guy. Exactly. > I'm fine. > > Are you fine Ann? Not in my opinion. What I'm seeing is a cult survivor still trying desperately -- decades later -- to not only take the side of the cult leader who abused her, but to HELP him abuse others by cheering him on when he does it. That's just sad.