Western astrology uses stupid things like a Chiron which has a VERY erratic orbit. I only have interest in the planets that can be observed by the naked eye. Neptune, Uranus and Pluto are recent additions for the western crew who must have been finding their predictions failing because they don't use the precession of the equinox.
Jupiter is often associated with social and financial issues. Violence in countries occurs because of tyranny. People can only take things for so long lying down then the straw breaks the camel's back and it's party time. The real reason they want to curb guns is to control people because there is absolutely no way the economy will be able to recover from the crimes of the banking industry. The damage may well last centuries and give rise to violence if not a civil war in the US. I am one who does not tolerate "group think". I saw some of that after 9/11. A pending economic crash will have buffoons telling me what to think and at my age I don't care if I get into trouble whacking them one for it or at least telling them what they can do with themselves. My opinion on astrology often does not sit well with astrologers either who seem to think there is some mystical reason behind it. There may well be but if you want to trump the "pseudo-scientists", a term I use a little differently from the way it is usually taken, then the concept of the planets being markers just as we know the sun and moon were is a good argument. Usually the naysayer have only a peripheral knowledge of astrology such as only knowing the newspaper columns so are easy to trump. On 04/10/2013 11:05 AM, Share Long wrote: > noozguru I don't associate Jupiter with violence but maybe has more to do > with Chiron which runs on a 50 year cycle. Here's part of an article by > Joyce Mason and the url for the whole thing. BTW, maybe no violence in 1820 > because Chiron was in a "friendly" sign? Just speculating. > > http://www.aplaceinspace.net/Pages/JMOuters5.html > > > Chiron's importance to outerplanetary people can hardly be overstated. It > is the thread that weaves together the tapestry of the outer planets as a > living aggregate in our charts. Chiron is the glue that makes > outerplanetary > people solid and capable of handling the strong energies that we are > asked > to bring down to Earth day by day -- first for ourselves, then for > others, > inspiring them to enter courageously into their own encounters with > Uranus, > Neptune, and Pluto. Chiron's binding influence with the trans-Saturnian > planets > is reason enough to want know your Chiron -- for if you do, the outer > planets > and their combined meaning will simply fall into place in one grand got > it! > The Power of Fifty > Since my Chiron Return, I have deepened my understanding of the Chiron > archetype and the possibilities of its 50-year cycle by transit through a > natal chart. My great-nephew was baptized on Pentecost Sunday, the Christian > celebration of the descent of the Holy Spirit fifty days after Easter. I > knew this was no accident for Zachary -- or for Auntie Joyce. The parallels > between the lives of Chiron and Jesus are legion.[1] Chiron is an earlier, > Greek mythological version of the same archetype -- the one so many cultures > venerate as the spiritual ideal. > At Zach's christening, I felt like I was living Chiron's progressed chart -- > the Pentecost as the 50th day after the death of Jesus and the descent of > the Holy Spirit on the apostles is a metaphor for the 50th year of life and > the Chiron Return.[2] As Zach was chrismated -- anointed with holy oil on > his crown -- I thought about the tongues of fire over the apostles' heads at > Pentecost -- such a living symbol of spirit and inspiration, hovering over > their crown chakras. Watching our family's new baby become initiated into > his spiritual life, I saw his godparents as Chiron and Chariclo, now > entrusted with his Godlink. I was moved to tears, as I realized that by our > 50th year, the descent of Spirit must be upon us -- we must be aware of it > -- if we are to accomplish what we came here to do. > And somehow, it all goes back to the fact of our birth and the spiritual > connection baptism and Pentecost both represent. Our mission is merely to > realize that we never lost that connection with All That Is when we left pure > spirit for a physical body. We brought our spirits with us. In Chiron: > Rainbow Bridge Between the Inner and Outer Planets, Barbara Hand Clow > reviews the symbolism of the number 50 from many sources. Fifty often > symbolizes attainment of a difficult task. Learning to live spiritually in a > material world for half a century sure qualifies! In the end, it is our > spirits that will get us through the rest of our lives and the continuous > challenge of these rapidly changing, end-beginning times. We are being asked > to evolve beyond light speed. > > > ________________________________ > From: Bhairitu <noozg...@sbcglobal.net> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2013 11:57 AM > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Predicting the Future > > > > These guys better watch out because they may also wind up validating > astrology with their research.:-D > > http://www.wired.com/wiredenterprise/2013/04/cliodynamics-peter-turchin/all/ > > They're looking into recurring cycles. These happen to coincide with > recurring orbits of the planets. Told ya ancient astrologers were using > the planets as time keepers and not as puppet masters. They did this > just as they did with cycles of the sun and moon. Using planets was just > as inevitable. For instance they're noticing a 50 year cycle of > violence in the US. That's approximately 4 Jupiter cycles. > > >