--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@...> wrote: > > What does one have to do with the other?
Because John Hagelin claims we can think at the level of the unified field and influence the world at the classical level including things like levitation, invisibility, world peace, prevention of earthquakes etc. You can't have one without the other. At best, IF someone ever demonstrates floating, you could evoke this as the direction for research to go in to explain an already observed phenomenon, but you can't use the conclusion that the unified field fits Tononi's definition (maybe) of a conscious system to predict any specific phenomenon. > > Ants may fit his definition also, but we don't then conclude that ants can > play chess. > > L > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> wrote: > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote: > > > > > > As I pointed out earlier, Guilio Tononi's "phi" formula, if taken to its > > > logical conclusion, supports Hagelin's assertion about the unified field > > > and consciousness. > > > > Good, I'll fly down the shops later. That ought to save on shoe leather. > > Especially if I'm invisible too. > > > > > > > Tononi doesn't like it when people do that, but he has to add in all > > > sorts of exceptions to the formula to invalidate the conclusion. > > > > > > L > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "salyavin808" <fintlewoodlewix@> > > > wrote: > > > [...] > > > > For me, the serious question is why there is anything here at all. > > > > Once you've got your head round that the mechanics of how it all > > > > works will depend on measurement and an ability to accept that what > > > > we are looking at inside our brains translates into our conscious > > > > experiences. We haven't worked it out yet but so what? That doesn't > > > > mean we have to go running to the paranormal just because we haven't > > > > got an explanation, that's what kept our ancestors believing in god > > > > and astrology. It's a natural tendency but mistaken, especially as > > > > we can see individual thoughts as they occur. > > > > > > > > It's all globby and whirly and we are all going to have to deal > > > > with it sooner or later. > > > > > > > > > >