Or one could go to Peru and imbibe in ayahuasca.
________________________________ From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius <anartax...@yahoo.com> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 10:25 AM Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> wrote: >> >> A: I have no good intentions where meditation is concerned. >> >> B: It is arrogance typical of people who think only TM is an effective >> spiritual practice to think TM is the only effective spiritual practice. > > I have been away from the Movement and people that practice TM for so long > now that I wouldn't have a clue if anyone actually believes B (except Buck). > Are you sure there are many who believe TM is the ONLY effective spiritual > practice? Seems like a really sweeping assertion. It is one thing to think TM > is the best practice for you but quite another to say it is the only > effective one out there. But then you were surrounded by lots of Movement > people in a different capacity than I was and for me it was a long time ago > so maybe I am just not remembering the attitude at MIU clearly. I certainly > never felt that personally nor do I remember my close friends at MIU feeling > that. I have known many within the TM movement that felt TM was superior to anything else, primarily it would seem because that is what Maharishi told them. Many go through a phase like this when new to spiritual stuff. As I do not have much contact with a large number of TM meditators now, I cannot say if these views have shifted over the years. From a practical side, do whatever works for you, dump whatever does not. Sometimes just sitting and pondering a subject deeply can lead to insight and transcendent experience. Sometimes just sitting silently and lightly noticing the breath does the same, or lightly starting a mantra. Being in certain situations can lead to transcendence, such as imminent death and you do not die through luck. Some are devotional to a cause or a teacher. And if you are not interested in spirituality, you do not gravitate to any of these things. Spiritual meditation could be arbitrarily broken into two categories - formal meditation and informal meditation. Formal meditation is when you are doing a technique; informal is the rest of the day where your life has a general direction toward a spiritual resolution (enlightenment) - nothing forced, just a persistent orientation. In my experience, progress is slow if you just practice a technique and think it is going to save your ass. >> ________________________________ >> From: Buck <dhamiltony2k5@> >> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com >> Sent: Friday, May 10, 2013 7:09 AM >> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Dome Rot; >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Richard J. Williams" <richard@> wrote: >>> >>>>> You forgot to mention that most people who do >>>>> mumbojumbo "meditation" try to meditate. TM'ers >>>>> that have had regular checkings actually meditates. >>>>> >>> Michael Jackson: >>>> Are you saying then that every other meditation than >>>> TM, including all the other meditations from India >>>> are mumbo jumbo? >>>> >> No, clearly anyone just looking like they are meditating are not necessarily >> meditating. Careful Jackson, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. >> Like even with someone who gets down five times a day on their knees we'd >> have to look at their neurophysiology to see if anything transcendentally >> effective is really going on for them spiritually. >> >>> What else would you be meditating on if not 'mumbo >>> jumbo' - your navel? There's nothing wrong with some >>> 'snake-oil' if it works? >>> >>>>>> if everyone who comes to the Domes in Fairfield are >>>>>> Templars, what does that make all the other millions >>>>>> of people who meditate with other than TM all over >>>>>> the world? >>>>>> >>>>> That is fine enough. Templars-II. People do the best >>>>> they can given their circumstance. But it is so much >>>>> more effective to be in a group of experienced meditators, >>>>> templars meditating in group. Holy. Holy. It is >>>>> extremely powerful. - Buck >>>>> >>> >> >
