--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "vashtirama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > akasha, you'd be great in an upper-level feminist studies 
> seminar. 
> > > Groups of feminist sex workers have brought up most if not all 
of 
> > > your points; so have lesbians who have their own exotic dancer 
> > > clubs, publish x-rated magazines for the lesbian community, 
> > > informed by lesbian feminist theory.
> > 
> > In my experience, those who rail most about strip clubs
> > and how exploitive they are all have something in common:
> > they have such low self esteem physically that they'd
> > rather die than be seen naked.
> > 
> > Those of us who grew up with different values in terms
> > of nudity may be able to see the issue with a little more
> > perspective than someone who is fearful of nudity and
> > resentful of anyone who looks better nude than they do.
> 
> Or perhaps you've missed the point.

No, he's just seized on yet another way to
exalt himself and put down others.

> I've been in art classes where the models were very nice looking 
> and where the models werenearly as fat and icky-looking as myself. 
> Comfort with a nude body isn't the issue.

Of course it isn't.  Nude swimming is another
counterexample.  One of the most enjoyable
afternoons I ever spent was at a nude swimming
hole in upstate New York some years ago, where
folks, both male and female, young and old, 
displayed an astonishing variety of bodies,
from gross to svelte.

The interesting thing was that after about five
minutes you completely forgot you and everybody
else were naked.  The only slightly uncomfortable
aspect was the (fully clothed) gawkers standing
around at the periphery.  But all they did was
gawk, and you quickly forgot about them too.






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