--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius"
<anartaxius@...> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "John" <jr_esq@> wrote:
> > >
> > > I was thinking that if a person had transcendental dreams,
> > > then the solutions to problems in the waking consciousness
> > > would be rehearsed and reenacted during the dream state in
> > > a blissful way. He or she would then actually perform a
> > > creative solution during the waking state to fix the
> > > problem, whether it be in relationships or work issues.
> >
> > Sometimes John's cluelessness amazes me, even after
> > all this time. There can never be any such thing as
> > a remembered "transcendental dream," because if it
> > had any attributes you can remember, it wasn't
> > transcendental.
> >
> > If you disagree, describe a period of "transcendence"
> > that you experienced in TM for me. In detail. I'll
> > wait... :-)
> >
> Okay, I'll start, but it might be a while before you hear anything, perhaps
> forever, so in the spirit of anticipation, hold your breath until you hear
> from me.
>
> This tread got me thinking 'is anything transcendental'? The mind imagines
> that there is a 'transcendent', but is there? Whatever we might think about
> the nature of consciousness, we all have experiences, which in aggregate is
> just experience. If we define experience in general, as a field, nothing
> happens outside experience in general whether the experience is something
> like a coffee pot, or what we call transcendence in meditation. But
> transcendence is not outside experience, it is just another flavour or qualia
> of experience.
If you want to *redefine* experience as a "field,"
maybe you could get away with this. But by the normal
definition of "experience," transcendental pure
consciousness in meditation (no thoughts, no mantra)
isn't "an experience," it's the *absence* of experience,
beyond experience. As Barry points out, it's
attributeless, qualia-less.
By "transcendental dream," John was most likely
referring to witnessing the experience of dreaming,
not having a dream of the transcendent. Barry could
have figured that out, but he preferred to ignore
what John wrote ("problems...rehearsed and reenacted
during the dream state in a blissful way") so he
could put John down.
