--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@...> wrote:
>
> Sal, did you ever know Campbell in your past TM days?

No he's way before my time. I did like his book "The 7 states" 
though. I don't agree with much it now mind you, but it's as 
clearly written an exposition of the pre-sidhi teachings of Marshy
as you'd want.



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>  From: sparaig <LEnglish5@...>
> To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 22, 2013 10:35 AM
> Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Krishna like Christian evangelizing
>  
> 
> 
>   
> I asked Anthony Campbell, author of _The Seven Stages of Consciousness_, why 
> he became a Buddhist and no longer does TM. He replied because he had 
> meditated the requisite number of years (I assume 7) and TM didn't work as 
> advertised (he wasn't enlightened) so he moved on.
> 
> I expect the same thing is at work here: 
> 
> MMY said that floating would happen "real soon now" and an awful lot of 
> people who learned the TM-Sidhis eventually decided "it ain't going to 
> happen" and moved on to practices that they felt were giving them more 
> profound and authentic experiences than "hopping like a frog."
> 
> I assume that he did things the way he did because he believed that if enough 
> people learned the TM-Sidhis fast enough, the world's consciousness WOULD 
> change to support floating, and thus he would have fulfilled his own prophecy 
> by being excessively enthusiastic about how soon people would be floating (I 
> still believe that he believed in floating as a real aspect of the Yogic 
> Flying technique).
> 
> Once the disillusionment set in, the people who promised grander things had a 
> ready-made audience for them since most TM-Sidhas are self-selected for 
> wanting powers and other "specialness," regardless of what hand-written 
> letters they signed to the contrary.
> 
> And why shouldn't they become disillusioned? They were told they were 
> "special" in every way, simply by learning the TM-Sidhis practices and there 
> they were, decades later, and still no floating.
> 
> MMY had attempted to con world consciousness itself into growing faster than 
> it could, and the people he used for that con moved on.
> 
> Even within the Extended Maharishi Effect perspective, there's still hope. 
> THere's plenty of school administrators in Latin America what want a stress 
> management technique for their students, and while the ultra-cynical former 
> True Believers may believe that TM doesn't really work at all, there's plenty 
> of large-scale demonstrations that it does work wonders in very stress-laden 
> schools, and that is a more viable way of getting huge numbers of people to 
> learn and practice together, I think.
> 
> and... if the kids in Mexico ever start floating, that would be a 
> game-changer all around.
> 
> L
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@> wrote:
> >
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > in Fairfield, It's like there has been a cultural protection or
> > predisposition in meditators generally against these other more
> > mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far.  It's
> > like the TM'ers are more scientific and immune from too much iron age
> > belief structures.  You know, Maharishi did study a degree in physics. 
> > Modern science and the scientific process was after all part of his
> > spiritual revival.  Very 21st Century.
> > Dear Buck, I admire your enthusiasm, your mission, your seemingly
> > inexhaustible zeal. But I don't believe you for one nanosecond.
> > Fairfield was a typical midwest town back in the 60's and early 70's: a
> > town square, local horse show at the ag grounds, 4H, local teens
> > cruising the town square on Friday and Saturday nights round and round.
> > Then came MIU and the townspeople, for the most part, accepted this new
> > strange breed of student. They weren't like Parson's students with their
> > fraternities and homecoming queens but these new immigrants were
> > peaceful enough. Now, it is like someone turned on some sort of homing
> > radar device that has put out the call to every breed of saint, healer,
> > guru, channel known to mankind and they have descended, in droves, to
> > Fairfield Iowa. Why would this be? Because "there has been a cultural
> > protection or predisposition in meditators generally against these other
> > more mood-making or faith-based kinds of groups encroaching very far."?
> > What the hell happened since I was there in 1983? All hell has broken
> > loose, that's what.
> > > -Buck in the Dome
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Kind of surprising that the Krishna's have not evangelized Fairfield
> > before now for as hard as they have worked the airports and
> > street-corners once upon a time.  The Christians have always been hoping
> > to try.  The Buddhists however are almost non-existent in Fairfield.
> > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson  wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wait, won't you git in trouble with the Golden Dome Police if
> > you go to a hare krishna deal?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can understand why the TMO would object to Dome-goers
> > attending Hare Krishna stuff, they don't want the TMO's life abnegating
> > hindoo dogma to be replaced by the hary krshna's brand of life
> > abnegating hindoo dogma.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Do the Hari's also practice a silent meditation?
> > > > >
> > > > > It is an interesting thing that for as big a movement as they are
> > out in the world that it took so long for them to show up in Fairfield. 
> > Hari Om.
> > > > >
> > > > > -Buck
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ________________________________
> > > > > >  From: Buck
> > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
> > > > > > Sent: Saturday, May 11, 2013 10:25 AM
> > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Free Feast and Flight, Saturday,
> > May 11th
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > �
> > > > > > Dear Om Tat Sat;
> > > > > > It is a remarkable thing about this little town of Fairfield,
> > Iowa that there is so much spirituality going on all the time.  'So much
> > to do, so little time'.  And so many choices at any moment.  I would
> > love to attend your kirtan and meal.  Except that I have an obligation
> > to attend the May Fair today at the same time.  I may drop by your
> > satsang afterwards for left-overs.  This is so Fairfield.
> > > > > > Welcome to the spiritual marketplace which is Fairfield.
> > > > > > It's a joy,
> > > > > > -Buck in the Dome
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Martin A Rosenthal  wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Dear Friends:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please honor us with your presence at
> > > > > > > today's kirtan, lecture, and feast at 105 S 3rd Street in
> > > > > > > Fairfield, Iowa, beginning at noon today, Saturday, May 11th.
> > If you can not come in body, then come in mind in spirit in your
> > > > > > > heart, simply by reading the adventure below.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I have promised to deliver a lecture of
> > > > > > > flying in the Vaishnava (those who believe in Vishnu as
> > supreme)
> > > > > > > tradition.  Here is one such example among many.  The lecture
> > will
> > > > > > > begin at 12:30, after Hare Krishna kirtan, which will begin at
> > 12 pm. At 1:00 we shall all enjoy a six course feast of food prepared
> > for
> > > > > > > the pleasure of Krishna and offered to Him with loving
> > devotion.
> > > > > > > Once Krishna has enjoyed our offerings by His merciful glance,
> > it is
> > > > > > > transformed into Bhagavat Prasadam, which bestows love of
> > Krishna
> > > > > > > upon all who experience it.  Even those who hear with faith
> > about
> > > > > > > such a feast are elevated in Krishna Bhakti Yoga, or pure love
> > for
> > > > > > > God, Who is know in countless traditions by countless names.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Recently, Krishna's Kindom of Dvaraka,
> > > > > > > has been discovered, off the west coast of India.
> > > > > > > (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6KkDMBhrAD4 )
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Once, in truth, in Dvarak, Krishnas
> > > > > > > city which recently has been discovered off beneath the sea . 
> > India,
> > > > > > > there lived a holy brahmana who desired to have sons.  He had
> > eight
> > > > > > > sons, but as soon as each was born, the infant died  In those
> > times,
> > > > > > > the king was considered responsible for the safety of all of
> > his
> > > > > > > citizens, and so the the brahmana took each of his dead infant
> > sons
> > > > > > > and placed them before Maharaja Ugrasena, who did all within
> > his
> > > > > > > power to rectify conditions within his kingdom so that such
> > things
> > > > > > > would not occur again; just as in the modern day saintly kings
> > engage
> > > > > > > their citizens in auspicious activities such as meditation
> > upon the
> > > > > > > Supreme, yajna to the devatas, and other pure practices which
> > promote
> > > > > > > the welfare of the individual and society at large.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But try as he may, Maharaja Ugrasenda
> > > > > > > was unable to protect the sons of the brahmana, who therefore
> > > > > > > concluded that the king was lax in his duties to the Lord and
> > the
> > > > > > > devatas but instead was enjoying his royal position only to
> > gratify
> > > > > > > his senses and for the pleasure of his court.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Arjuna, who Krishna had instructed in
> > > > > > > the Bhagavad Gita, as we all well know, could not bear to hear
> > these
> > > > > > > criticisms of the king, and he promised the aggrieved brahmana
> > that
> > > > > > > he would protect the next child.  But the brahmana was so
> > upset that
> > > > > > > he accused Arjuna of empty boasting, just as many leaders make
> > > > > > > promises to us which they are unable or unwilling to fulfill. 
> > But
> > > > > > > Arjuna had good reason to believe that he could protect the
> > child,
> > > > > > > for he had direct association with the devatas, such as Indra,
> > the
> > > > > > > King of Heaven, who had given Arjuna his powerful and
> > spiritually
> > > > > > > empowered bow, Gandiva.  Since Arjuna was a great warrior, and
> > the
> > > > > > > son of Indra himself, he vowed that he would enter into fire
> > if he
> > > > > > > could not protect the child.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > But the child died, and Arjuna, true to
> > > > > > > his word, prepared to sacrifice himself.  However, Shri
> > Krishna, the
> > > > > > > friend of Arjuna, personally came and persuaded Arjuna not to
> > give up
> > > > > > > his life.  �"We shall go and find the 
> > > > > > > child.â€
> > he assured him.
> > > > > > > There are many yogis in this world who can travel into outer
> > space,
> > > > > > > but Krishna, who always enjoys the company of His devotees,
> > summoned
> > > > > > > His horses and chariot, and He and Arjuna traversed the
> > universe in
> > > > > > > search of the child, who could not be found, even in the court
> > of
> > > > > > > Yamaraja, the superintendent of death.  Krishna therefore
> > decided to
> > > > > > > search beyond this universe, so he directed His chariot across
> > the
> > > > > > > dense darkness which covers all the living beings in this
> > world.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Due to this darkness, we are thinking
> > > > > > > that this is just another story, whose truth is simply
> > allegorical.
> > > > > > > But Krishna evoked His Sudarshan Chakra by whose glowing
> > effulgence
> > > > > > > the darkness was dissipated.  This disk of light is also a
> > > > > > > personality, and its name, Sudarshan, indicates that it
> > provides good
> > > > > > > (su) audience or vision (darshan).  A power, big wheel indeed!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Following Sudarshan, Krishna and Arjuna
> > > > > > > approached Lord Narayana, whose name indicates that he is the
> > source
> > > > > > > of all naras, or personalities.  Now, I shall quote directly
> > from
> > > > > > > Shrimad Bhagavatam, available online at www.Vedabase.net.
> > > > > > > SB
> > > > > > > 10.89.58:
> > > > > > > [Lord MahÄ-Viṣṇusaid:] I brought the
> > brÄhmaṇa's
> > > > > > > sons here because I wanted to see the two of you, My
> > expansions, who
> > > > > > > have descended to the earth to save the principles of
> > religion. As
> > > > > > > soon as you finish killing the demons who burden the earth,
> > quickly
> > > > > > > come back here to Me.
> > > > > > > SB
> > > > > > > 10.89.59:
> > > > > > > Although all your desires are completely fulfilled, O best of
> > exalted
> > > > > > > personalities, for the benefit of the people in general you
> > should
> > > > > > > continue to exemplify religious behavior as the sages Naraand
> > NÄrÄyaṇa.
> > > > > > > SB
> > > > > > > 10.89.60-61:
> > > > > > > Thus instructed by the Supreme Lord of the topmost planet,
> > Kṛṣṇaand Arjunaassented by chanting 
> > oḿ,
> > > > > > > and then they bowed down to almighty Lord
> > MahÄ-Viṣṇu.
> > > > > > > Taking the brÄhmaṇa's
> > > > > > > sons with them, they returned with great delight to
> > DvÄrakÄby the same path along which they had come. There they
> > presented the brÄhmaṇawith his sons, who were in the same
> > infant bodies in which they had
> > > > > > > been lost.
> > > > > > > SB
> > > > > > > 10.89.62:
> > > > > > > Having seen the domain of Lord Viṣṇu, 
> > > > > > > Arjunawas
> > totally amazed. He concluded that whatever extraordinary power a
> > > > > > > person exhibits can only be a manifestation of
> > ŚrīKṛṣṇa's
> > > > > > > mercy.
> > > > > > > Please come to our kirtan and festival,
> > > > > > > and fly with us beyond the confines of this material world. 
> > The
> > > > > > > more, the merrier, so bring your friends.  Or visit us simply
> > by
> > > > > > > giving us your prayers and blessings.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Jai Gurudeva.
> > > > > > > Hare Krishna.
> > > > > > > OM TAT SAT.
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