--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" <steve.sundur@...> wrote: > > > Sure, I understand Jim. It's just that I would say that this is such a > common problem that someone who was an editor as a profession would have > run into it before. But maybe I'm wrong, or maybe Judy hasn't been > involved in the profession for some time. She reveals almost nothing > about her life outside of her corrector role here. > > BTW, I have been enjoying your back and forth with Ravi. I think you've > sort of extinguished that great purifying flame that he feels he > possesses. Kind of like the neighbors collies who had their vocal cords > snipped. They try to let out a big mean bark, but what comes out is > more a squeak. (-: > I am not Jim.
Editors are more likely to work in a computer office suite - Microsoft Word, Open Office, Libre Office, or have a PDF editor that is capable of directly editing PDF files. This usually limits character rendering problems, particularly because most editors are not involved in translating between different human languages. These character rendering problems have to do with HTML (HyperText Markup Language) and XML eXtensible Markup Language) and SGML (Standard Generalised Markup Language). Computers have evolved starting with ASCII characters, which are basically a typewriter keyboard. All other characters have to be 'encoded', that is, rendered in a special form using ASCII characters. For different human languages, and even for the same language, there are different sets of encodings that represent alphanumeric characters, symbols, mathematical operators, and so on. The problem is translating between these different sets. They evolved piecemeal. Some have become international standards with the ISO. http://www.iso.org/ There is also a consortium that is attempting to codify all human language character use in a unified way, the Unicode Consortium. Unicode allows all characters in all languages to be represented in a web page without the piecemeal character sets, as it attempts to combine them all. You need a typeface that has all those characters in it though to render the page. http://www.unicode.org/ This is an ongoing project. Example - the code page for ASCII http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf Example - the code page for Devanagari Script (which developed between the 8th and 12th centuries) http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0900.pdf Example - the code page for Brahmi Script, which historically precedes Devanagari (thought to be derived from the Phonetician alphabet). http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U11000.pdf Example - Phonecian (which also resembles the Paleo-Hebrew alphabet that was used before Hebrew script was developed) http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U10900.pdf Example - code page for Mongolian http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1800.pdf Example - code page for Emoticons http://www.unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F600.pdf Here is a list of all the work accomplished so far in this regard: http://www.unicode.org/charts/ As you can see looking at this list, finding a coherent way to represent human language on a computer is a daunting task, and the work is ongoing to find a solution. One group (unsuccessful so far, wants Klingon to be part of the standard). ===================================== > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > Steve, computer problems with character encoding or computer glitches > are a programmer's realm, or a computer service realm, not an editor's > realm to solve. > > > > It is nice to know how to fix certain common problems, but the big > hangup people have about computers seems to be if something goes wrong, > and they don't have a clue, they think they will break something if they > make a wrong move. > > > > Sometimes software does not load properly and fails to work in some > specific way, or the application or even the whole system freezes up. In > that case you might lose what you are working on, because you have to > restart the computer, which is usually the first thing to try. > > > > I have known a number of people who seem to regard a computer as some > kind of magical talisman, and somehow fear something like the > retribution of the gods were they to touch it once it fails to do what > they expect. > > > > Cyberphobia > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" authfriend@ wrote: > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" wrote: > > > > > > > > You gotta admit, with the number of times this issue has > > > > come up, you would have that the author's friend would have > > > > provided the solution. > > > > > > Not sure how you managed to hallucinate the notion > > > that I was some kind of computer expert, Steve, but > > > your mental problems have been getting noticeably > > > worse recently. Each time you're away from FFL for > > > awhile, one hopes it's because you're finally > > > getting some treatment. But then when you come back, > > > you're even crazier than before. It doesn't look > > > good for you, I'm afraid. > > > > > > (As it turns out, Barry didn't know what he was > > > talking about anyway.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > But nooooo. Turns out, the author's friend declared "arch enemy" > came > > > > to the rescue on this one. Just sayin' Chalk one up for the Bar. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long sharelong60@ > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Thank you, turq and I also want to apologize because coming > back > > > > from the hospital I realized that telling a man he made a mountain > out > > > > of a molehill is like when a man tells an upset woman that she's > being > > > > emotional. Kind of stupid on my part. Anyway, there, I only put > one > > > > space. Let's see what happens. How the heck am I gonna break that > habit > > > > that's so ingrained in my cells?! I'm trainable but this just > might be > > > > above and beyond my current level of neuroplastic development (-: > > > > > > > > > > My guess was correct. Most of the time I don't see these > > > > > symbols when reading your posts directly on the Yahoo > > > > > Web Viewer, but I almost always see them when I hit Reply, > > > > > because they're embedded into the text there. I have > > > > > gotten into the habit of editing them out to improve > > > > > readability. > > > > > > > > > > But there are none above. Compare to the quoted text > > > > > of your previous post below, where they are still there. > > > > > So it looks as if my guess about what the cause and its > > > > > solution might have been was correct. Cool. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > From: turquoiseb no_re...@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 10:09 AM > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help again! > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Xeno, I don't have more than one email address.à> Thanks > > > > > > > for helpful reply.àAs for other request, a solution I > > > > > > > tried last night didn't work.àThis morning I was > rushing > > > > > > > as usual and hoping for a quick answer if one were > > > > possible.à> > > > > > > Ok, rushing again as doc wants fasting blood work which I'm > > > > > > > off to do now.àOn a totally empty stomach!à> > > > > > > > > > > > > > PSàI know turq likes mountains but did he really have > to > > > > > > > make this molehill into one?!à> > > > > > > > > > > > BTW, above is what your text looks like when we try > > > > > > to reply to it. The à marks are being inserted by > > > > > > whatever program you're using to write to FFL. > > > > > > > > > > > > And to "be helpful," I think I know how you can stop > > > > > > it from doing so. The problem is the program's not > > > > > > yours per se, but you're causing it by typing two > > > > > > spaces after a period. That's an old convention > > > > > > from typewriters, something that is never used in > > > > > > actual publication, or (more relevant) in HTML. > > > > > > HTML will strip out double spaces and replace them > > > > > > with single spaces. > > > > > > > > > > > > So, in a misguided attempt to keep it from doing > > > > > > this, your program (probably Yahoo Mail) is, when > > > > > > you type two spaces in a row, replacing the first > > > > > > of them with a non-breaking space. This preserves > > > > > > the double-spacing in HTML, but unfortunately > > > > > > many browsers convert this non-breaking space to > > > > > > the à symbol we see all over your posts. > > > > > > > > > > > > As a guess, I'll bet that if you stopped typing > > > > > > double spaces after every period, the problem > > > > > > would go away. > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > > > > From: Xenophaneros Anartaxius > > > > > > > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, June 6, 2013 7:57 AM > > > > > > > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: help again! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. If you send an email from an email client (not web > mail), and > > > > you have more than one email address one of which is not a yahoo > address > > > > and you mistakenly used that address, yahoo will send you that > message. > > > > If you don't use an email client, then it might be an indication > someone > > > > has hacked into your account and tried to send an email with a non > yahoo > > > > identified address in reply-to line. There might be other ways > this > > > > could happen that I have no clue about. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just got an email supposedly from yahoo saying to verify > my > > > > account!ïÿý Could this be real? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
