Saints?   TM folk here generally use the spiritual context.  Most folks here 
generally seem to know them when they see them..    Saints.   TM Movement 
apparatchiks sneak off all the time to be with them too.

> 
> 
> >
> > > 
> > > Buck, just how does the TMO define 'a Saint'?
> > > 
> > > How do they define the lines that are crossed?
> > >
> > 
> > Saints?  Guru Dev [SBS], Maharisbh's teacher instructed people to sit with 
> > them.   Maharishi sent people too.  Saints like Sat Gurus evidently are a 
> > [necessary] part of the spiritual territory at our level of discussion.  
> >
> 
> Saints?
> "Weber, in an oft quoted passage, defined charisma as "...
> a certain quality of an individual personality, by virtue of which [s/]he is 
> set
> apart from ordinary [people] and treated as endowed with supernatural,
> superhuman, or at least specifically exceptional powers or qualities. These 
> are
> such as are not accessible to the ordinary person, but are regarded as of 
> divine
> origin or as exemplary, and on the basis of them the individual concerned is
> treated as a leader"."
>  

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote:
>
> 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" 
> >
> > 
> > Lots of meditators back East or West, they say, is leavin' home every day,
> > Beatin' the hot old dusty way to these Fairfield Domes.
> > 'Cross the desert sands they roll, gettin' out of their dusty old bowls,
> > They think they're goin' to a sugar bowl, but here's what they findĀ 
> > Now, the administration at the port of entry say,
> > "We don't want no saint-visiting fugitive meditators here!"
> 
> That's like me saying, "If you have been visiting leprechauns and ridden any 
> pterodactyls lately you can't come to my garden party. Like I said: THERE ARE 
> NO SUCH THINGS AS SAINTS! Relax, for God's sake.
> 
> > Om, if you ain't got the do re mi, 
> > siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi,
> > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, 
> > Tennessee.
> > 
> > >
> > > You want to buy you a Fairfield home or a farm or just rent a place, that 
> > > can't deal nobody harm,
> > > Or take your vacation out by the mountains or sea.
> > > But don't swap your old cow for a car, you better stay right where you 
> > > are,
> > > Better take this little tip from me.
> > > 'Cause I look through the want ads every day
> > > But the headlines on the papers always say:
> > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi,
> > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, 
> > > Tennessee.
> > > 
> > > > 
> > > > > 
> > > > > Fairfield is a garden of Eden, a paradise to live in or see;
> > > > > But believe it or not, you won't find it so hot
> > > > > If you ain't got the do re mi.  
> > > > >
> > > > 
> > > > If you ain't got the do re mi, siddhas, you ain't got the do re mi,
> > > > Why, you better go back to beautiful Texas, Oklahoma, Kansas, Georgia, 
> > > > Tennessee. 
> > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Look, Bevan's anti-saint axiom on this is that meditators who go 
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > see saints may confuse other people who are seeing them thus about 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > sufficiency and effectiveness of TM altogether.  This is matter of
> > > > > > faith.  And II, that these meditators should be hunt down as 
> > > > > > fugitives
> > > > > > and punished also as a matter of faith by removal or refusal of Dome
> > > > > > meditation badges.  Of course a long problem with Bevan's axiom is 
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > most of the meditating community does not believe it or take it as a
> > > > > > matter of faith.  That leaves Bevan and a few people around him by
> > > > > > themselves as the inner movement. Hence the TM anti-saint faithful
> > > > > > inside vs. the practitioner meditator movement.  It's a bad civil 
> > > > > > war
> > > > > > about faith in axiom.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Visiting Saints and Runaway Meditators
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > By Guideline
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is Illegal to:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Willingly obstruct, hinder, or prevent from arrest fugitives from 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > meditation group.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is Illegal to:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Rescue, or attempt to rescue, fugitives from the Dome meditation for
> > > > > > having visited or sat with saints, holy mahatmas, or wise people , 
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > the custody of such claim as this course office may have.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is Illegal to:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Aid, abet, or assist such persons so owing service or labor of
> > > > > > meditation, directly or indirectly, to escape from such claim.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > It is Illegal to:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Harbor or conceal meditator fugitives from service or meditation, 
> > > > > > so as
> > > > > > to prevent the discovery and arrest of such persons, after notice or
> > > > > > knowledge of the fact that such persons are fugitive from service or
> > > > > > meditation.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > Penalty of Law:
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > For either of said criminal offences, offenders shall be subject to
> > > > > > administrative review and the loss of Dome meditation privileges by
> > > > > > indictment and conviction
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > and pay, by way of civil damages to the parties injured by such 
> > > > > > illegal
> > > > > > conduct, the sum of one thousand dollars for each fugitive from
> > > > > > meditation so lost to be recovered by action of debt.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > "Let us put a stop to meditator stealing by other saints!"
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation
> > > > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints?  
> > > > > > Aiding
> > > > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > The Prime Minister has not rescinded his Anti-Saint Dome
> > > > > > meditation policy yet.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What?  Families caught hosting fugitive TM meditators who went 
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > visit saints will be punished by the Dome Course Office? By Bevan?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yep, harboring fugitives from the TM movement.  It should 
> > > > > > > > > cost a
> > > > > > host family to lose their own Dome badges for helping these 
> > > > > > fugitives
> > > > > > from the TM movement get in to the Domes to meditate.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A "Host Program" has been inspired by the current 
> > > > > > > > > > > > situation
> > > > > > with the IAA Settle Grant. We hope to facilitate connecting current 
> > > > > > IAA
> > > > > > participants with a Host during this transitional time and to 
> > > > > > inspire a
> > > > > > new generation of IAA participants to be able to attend for either 
> > > > > > short
> > > > > > (month long) or longer terms.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > A "match up" description for any Sidha who has a room in
> > > > > > their home that would be available for at least one month will be
> > > > > > created.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Could it be illegal and a sin against TM Dome meditation
> > > > > > policy guidelines to host TM'ers known to have visited Saints?  
> > > > > > Aiding
> > > > > > or abetting these meditators by giving them shelter?
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Susan you would think so, this would be reasonable 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > for the
> > > > > > people who have already been taught the sidhis technique.  But no.  
> > > > > > A
> > > > > > stunning moment in the meeting was their announcement there would be
> > > > > > re-fresher meetings about practicing the technique but in the same
> > > > > > breath you'd need a Dome badge first to go to the meetings.  
> > > > > > Catch-22.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > See:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > http://applicantqv.blogspot.com/2012/03/yogic-flying-tm-banned-from-dome\
> > > > > > s.html
> > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Susan"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Here's an idea, an experiment:  Have a 4 week period
> > > > > > where anyone who ever got the siddhis can come and fly in the 
> > > > > > Domes. The
> > > > > > TMO could give out special colored badges in advance.  No background
> > > > > > checks or eliminating a person because they saw another saint etc.  
> > > > > > Just
> > > > > > anyone can come, everyone very welcome, fly in to town for this, if 
> > > > > > need
> > > > > > be.  A really welcoming, genuine atmosphere.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >  Then, see how it goes for those 4 weeks - Maybe 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > things
> > > > > > would improve in some way:  more people would attend, the energy in 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Domes would be more powerful.  Even maybe it would inspire those
> > > > > > attending to come regularly again.  And Maybe the TMO would see it 
> > > > > > was
> > > > > > all so wonderful and created such goodwill that they would drop the
> > > > > > restrictions in the future.  It would be an experiment.  And it is 
> > > > > > a way
> > > > > > to see, really, if there are "enough" people around still wanting 
> > > > > > to do
> > > > > > program in the Domes in Fairfield, Iowa.  Heck, even Rick would be
> > > > > > admitted.  At the least, it would be a fun social time, and at best 
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > real motivator for people to do program in the Domes.  I like to 
> > > > > > think
> > > > > > that MMY himself would go for this.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck"  wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Son, you were not here so don't just assume 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > things but
> > > > > > yes your advice below is good and true about the fourth estate 
> > > > > > below. 
> > > > > > That is also how things get done around here.  Obviously they read 
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > page and others about themselves and can move in ways accordingly.  
> > > > > > The
> > > > > > meeting was a TM movement style public meeting where they control 
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > stage seats and microphones in their way of decorum. Very top-down 
> > > > > > with
> > > > > > the authority up front in the stuffed chairs with the mics.  We're 
> > > > > > an
> > > > > > extremely verbal group, but.  When the mics were opened up a bunch 
> > > > > > of
> > > > > > people lined up for the floor mics and the line got worked through. 
> > > > > > Mostly sincere people and some aggravated people too get up 
> > > > > > thinking to
> > > > > > solve the problem in little ways.  A couple good new ideas come but
> > > > > > nothing of fundamental change offered.  Not many people from in the
> > > > > > town.  Mostly concerned earnest faith-based kind of movement people 
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > are not really going to jeopardize their access to everything by
> > > > > > speaking out much truth to power.  Though as soon as the meeting is 
> > > > > > over
> > > > > > folks are talking to one another about real things.  The enforced 
> > > > > > steady
> > > > > > decorum of the moderated mic was not really about discussion.  Just
> > > > > > quick consideration of one point per and the point would be 
> > > > > > referred to
> > > > > > further consideration in some groups.  Mayor Malloy as a meditator 
> > > > > > did
> > > > > > do an excellent job of moderating the usual community crazies too 
> > > > > > who
> > > > > > get up to any open mics in any public meeting.  After a while they
> > > > > > announced the last comment as the mic went to a guy that it was 
> > > > > > getting
> > > > > > late and the meeting was to end.  So it went.  Nothing really
> > > > > > substantial related to our community deficit in the Dome numbers 
> > > > > > and who
> > > > > > was responsible.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Buck
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > turquoiseb 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Buck" 
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there was only one person tonite 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > at the
> > > > > > landmark
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > meeting who brushed up against this talking
> > > > > > about how
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > experiences have been compromised in people
> > > > > > because of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > an underlying problem. She spoke in code of
> > > > > > course with
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the big guy up there in front of the room.
> > > > > > Otherwise the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > suggestions were trivial, as if people did 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not
> > > > > > know the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > antipathy old meditators have with the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > movement
> > > > > > with the
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > elephant sitting in the room. Two elephants
> > > > > > actually.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Buck, I'm going to have to call you on this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > one.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If YOU were there, why didn't YOU speak up?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The problems with the "dome program" are NOT
> > > > > > because
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of the people administrating them. They're 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > caused
> > > > > > by
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the roomful of pussies too timid or too
> > > > > > intimidated
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to say something about the policies.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't you DARE keep ranting about Bevan and 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > his
> > > > > > gang
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > if YOU didn't have the balls to say something 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > offered the opportunity to do so.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'm mentioning this partly because of the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > chorus of
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > laudations for the late LB Shriver. I never knew
> > > > > > him,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and his contributions to FFL were before my 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > time.
> > > > > > But
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I've noticed a tendency in some people checking 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > here to admire him for standing up to the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "powers
> > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be" and actually making some of his comments and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > criticisms in public.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is admirable, except that the people
> > > > > > applauding
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > him for doing this don't seem to do this 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > themselves.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They bend over and take in the ass from the TMO
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > policies, then grumble safely from behind 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > pseudonyms
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > about the perps not having used any K-Y, if they
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > grumble at all.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > NOTHING will change about the TM movement until 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > codependent enabling stops. I've said it before 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I'll probably say it again -- if you want a 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > change
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > these discriminatory and probably illegal 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > policies,
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > TAKE IT TO THE PRESS. Go public, and go large.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing terrifies tyrants more than the things
> > > > > > they're
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doing behind closed doors being made public. 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > encourages them more to *continue* doing these
> > > > > > things
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > than a bunch of terrified sheep too timid to
> > > > > > complain
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > that the shepherds are buggering them.
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