--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I don't see psychobabble. Can you be more specific? > "Objectification," for one. You really should have > a look at the article Tazarmfume linked to:
Ok, I finished the article. Its good. But he has said little that I have not already thought about and to a large extent intrnalized. My primary reaction is that he did not go far enough. He left the issue kind of half way there. What I am working on, personally, is a deeper level of de-ojectification than he appears to be contemplating. I say "de-" because its clear to me, and he alludes to but does not fully develop the point, that the drivers of objectification are ubiquiteous. Obectifying others is not something I sign up for. Its not a class that I took on an elective basis thinking "gee, i really want to learn how to objectify women". It happend. The roots are not clear, but we have touched on some: media, advertisng, fashion, peer dynamics. What I woke up to sometime ago is that "ok, I tend to objectify women. Probably less than a lot of guys, based on their actions and attitudes. Still, its not a good thing. How do I get de-objectified". Thats an interesting journey. One that may interest you in that you share the goal of having a world with less internally objectifiable men (and women). I would be happy to share my experiences, diamonds and warts. However, I sense, and I may be wrong, that you feel that I and others are way behind, even clueless about Steinberg's points. If so -- maybe thats not your view -- then it doesn't create a strong enironment for sharing details of ones personal life, particularly revolving issues that are pretty highly charged on several levels. Whle I am not saying this is the case -- I am stating a conditionally -- if you feel that anything I say on the subject is simply my rationalization for deeper objectification and/or exploitaion of women, then there is not much of a foundation for productive discussion. On the otherhand, I am open for a discussion of openess, mutual respect and authentic inquiry. ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
