--- In [email protected], "PaliGap" <compost1uk@...> wrote: > > > > --- In [email protected], "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" <anartaxius@> > wrote: > > > Dwarf Planet Astrology > > Regarding your *devastating* critique of astrology... > > Have you heard of/considered/understood (delete as > appropriate) Jung's concept of "synchronicity"? I > know that as a naive positivist it may be anathema - > but do you understand it? > > "The positions of the heavens at a particular moment > in time, by reflecting the qualities of that moment, > also reflect the qualities of anything born at that > moment. [...] One does not cause the other; they are > synchronous, and mirror each other." > http://www.astro.com/astrology/in_pa_synchro_e.htm > > If there is something to astrology (if), then it is > *not* about causation, or about the *correctness* or > *completeness* of any particular astronomical system. > It is about the possibility that the *quality* of > any *significant* moment can potentially reveal > information about the state of the totality. It > could be dividing some yarrow stalks, reading some > tea leaves, tossing some coins, looking at something > significant at the point of birth...whatever. You chose. > > Note the word: It is about the *Quality* of the moment > (in a Hegelian sense) that is chosen. It is an art, not > a science.
Well, I do experience the moment as a completeness. It is my intellect that tinkers with the idea that things have a cause or an effect. That is the way it apportions the experience of change, by creating 'influences'. There is a certain fun in the posits of astrology in spite of its lack of robust prediction. Dr. John Fagan once said jyotish has too many degrees of freedom. That is a statistical measure of variables. It allows astrology to have the ability to match any situation post hoc, but that same flexibility means it cannot do the same prior to an event. To land a spacecraft on another planet, say the landing of the probe on Saturn's moon Titan, requires very few degrees of freedom, very tightly controlled, as it is the equivalent of hitting a dust spot on a marble thousands of miles away. Astrology is thus extremely general and vague, but it can be a blast to bask in the description of what you think you are. The mind connects with apparent similarities much better than divergences. Like the mind readers who call out 'I'm getting a 'B', and someone in the audience pipes up, 'Oh, my wife Betty just passed on!', and yet the mind reader did not give any information, was just fishing for a response. But for the person who does not think things through, it seems miraculous. Thus in astrology we have 'You will see some trouble ahead, but then there are good things that will happen later on' rather than 'On January 16, 2014 you will be in a horrible accident in Columbus Ohio, and lose your left arm below the elbow, but on March 22, 2016, you will receive an insurance settlement from Prudential for $2,415,000'. Art is for enjoyment and expansion of experience. Science is for practicality and prediction and expansion of experience, but different aspects of the mind are employed in each of these ways. When the mind desires an explanation for something, it will fish for it even if there is no explanation. One of the laudable 'goals' of spirituality is to get to a place where you do not need to have an explanation, you can just let whatever is happening ride it out, without knowing or expecting a particular resolution. It is odd, people want to know what they are like and where that is going for them, but really a person is both nothing and everything all at once, and if you recognise that, particulars are usually not all that interesting, though that creaky old human body does have certain preferences. It is fun though, to watch astrologers trying to predict something precisely based on just the chart without any feedback in an ex ante test, where the result is known, but hidden from the astrologer. The same could be done using specific events in the person's life *and* the chart or charts, and then asking the astrologer what will happen on a certain date. For example, if you had 100 accurate charts for persons deceased, can the astrologer predict the date of death for all of them beyond a level of chance. I am sure they would be able to find the signs in the charts - if they had the date of death already - but before?, I doubt it. A monument to self deception, but probably our lives are full of self deception anyway, so why would a little more decption hurt more than it already does? > > > As one of the recent threads on FFL has been delving into the pseudoscience > > of astrology, I have been spending my time reading sections of a blog > > written by a sociopath, which is rather interesting reading, it kind of > > just slides right in with the psychotic nature of FFL and the 'neuro > > typical' and 'empath' population here, to use some names for most of us > > from the creative folk in sociopath land (there are some extraordinarliy > > intelligrnt sociopaths out there, and you probably know some without being > > aware that they are not like you). There seems to be some specific > > crossovers between sociopaths and enlightenment as far as mental states of > > experience. Perhaps I will start a thread on that later on. > > > > To get back to astrology. As scientifically astrology basically has zero > > predictive properties (except in the minds of its practitioners), I thought > > it might be better to introduce dwarf planet astrology, and chuck the > > original systems, both Western and Eastern. Unfortunately my idea is not > > original. Others have already jumped into the fray. > > > > The current locations of dwarf planets and dwarf planet candidates [the > > candidates are marked '(a)' from officially named dwarfs]: > > (the '˅' symbol means 'subscript' if it gets through Yahoo's > > alphanumeric-symbol, character-entity translation software, otherwise > > whatever shows up on your computer should be an inverted carat [cheers > > Share ÂÂÂ]) > > > > > > Ceres Gemini > > Haumea Bootes > > Makemake ComaBerenices > > Eris Cetus > > Pluto-Charon Sagittarius > > Sedna (a) Taurus > > Varuna (a) Gemini > > Quaoar (a) Serpens Cauda > > Orcus (a) Sextans > > Ixion (a) Ophiuchus > > 2002 TC˅302 (a) Aries > > 2007 OR˅10 (a) Aries > > > > Since size and distance of those little pointy lights in the sky make no > > difference in astrology, it certainly is possible that these tiny dim > > pointy lights could have a VAST influence on humanity and our little world. > > At least there are some that think so. For example: > > > > ------- > > > > 2007 OR10 and 2002 TC302 astrology > > > > 'Perhaps the striking news is that the newly discovered 2007 OR10 , near in > > size to Pluto, seems to has a strong astrological effect, at least derived > > by mundane astrology observations.' > > > > 'The fact is that in the recent millenia, 2007 OR10 has been orbiting near > > Eris, just beyond it, with a similar orbital period, and therefore makes > > things a little bit confusing to distinguish.' > > > > 'I see that every time 2007 OR10 has entered Aries a whole lot of global > > changes have happened: this was circa 150-50 BC, 350-450 AC, 1000 AC, > > 1470-1520 AC and now 1990-2040.' > > > > '2007 OR10 will enter the mid degrees of Aries in the years ahead, as it > > did in 1490, the years of the discovery (and conquests) of America, or > > approximately during the fall of Rome circa 350-410, or during the Roman > > conquests of the Greece and Egypt, two powerful and influencing > > civilizations. It enters the critical 10-11º Aries in 2010-2014, (like in > > 1492) then stays during the more intense Aries energy until 2047 (like in > > 1520).' > > > > 'Therefore, we predict a new unfolding wave of discoveries, 'conquests' and > > societal reconstruction, a civilization shift in balance.' > > > > 'It's still too soon to assert its astrological meaning. But judging by > > several chart readings, it seems that 2007 OR10 is full of positive energy, > > vibrant and a strong creative and ever-flowing energy (but it is in Aries > > too).' > > > > ------- > > > > At least Western astrology, with its positioning flaws, is investigating > > new information unlike Vedic astrology, which remains in the Iron Age. If > > we had Vedic physics, we perhaps could allow atoms, but eschew sub-atomic > > particles as not being significant. > > > > But for astrologers, perhaps it would be appropriate to use technology more > > appropriate to the mentality of the discipline. Without being too extreme I > > would suggest using the original Apple I or an original IBM PC, plus a dot > > matrix printer to produce charts, although, perhaps, you might do something > > unheard of and actually look at the sky at night and use a notepad by > > candlelight or oil torch. > > >
