Yes, in many spiritual traditions, woman are supposed to "keep their 
place";

And that attitude has been so extreme, in some cultures;
Past and present;

Those women were burned alive in public;
Women were stoned to death in Ancient Judah;
Women are routinely abused in the Islamic Nations;
On and on we see, the deep rooted hatred of woman;
In all cultures.

And out culture is no exception;
Especially when it comes to sex.
Men always feel, that they have to compete;
With other men, for women.

So, the whole system of capitalism;
Is built on the natural tendency;
For men to compete with other men;
For territorial rights;
As well as rites of sexual intercourse.

Then if a man in our culture;
Feels humiliated by a woman;
As some woman have made humiliation;
Into an artform;

Then the man must appeal to other men;
In the tribal group;
 For 'reassurance'

 Avoiding the trap, of all traps;
Trying as you might, to have the last word;
With a woman;
Is a losing game.

R.G.




--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Frankly, given that some here use profanity, and express extremely 
> bigotted viewpoints without prompting people to leave or at least 
> tell the moderator that they are leaving, I gotta think that its 
> genuine sexism that makes people so upset with Judy that they 
can't 
> stand reading her posts. Females just aren't supposed to be 
> aggressive --unless they're wearing pasties and doing a lapdance, 
> that is...
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> --- In [email protected], Rick Archer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> > Cliff unsubscribed because of friction with Judy and someone 
else 
> emailed me
> > on the side about the same problem. I'm too busy to read all the 
> posts so I
> > delete them in large blocks from the folder where they collect 
in 
> my email
> > client. Whenever I see people sniping at each other I delete 
those. 
> And
> > after a while I start deleting all posts by chronic snipers. I 
> recommend
> > that practice, but it would be better if the sniping didn't take 
> place at
> > all. As fairly mature spiritual seekers shouldn't we have 
learned 
> by now
> > that the faults we see in others should be red flags indicating 
> things we
> > should learn about ourselves?
> > 
> > 
> > on 9/14/05 10:09 PM, akasha_108 at [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:
> > 
> > > We all need to start taking these to heart.
> > > 
> > > #) This group has long maintained a thoughtful and considerate 
> tone.
> > > Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and excessive 
> venting.
> > > "Speak the truth that is sweet" is a worthy aspiration. If 
angry, 
> take
> > > some time to gain composure before writing or pushing the send 
> button.
> > > 
> > > Its Rule #1: "Please refrain from personal attacks, insults and
> > > excessive venting."
> > > 
> > > It is sent to each of us every month. We got it when we joined 
the
> > > list. What is not clear about it?
> > > 
> > > #13) Discussions of politics that affect personal growth and 
world
> > > consciousness are allowed. However, be kind and respectful of 
> others'
> > > viewpoints. Come with a humble heart, an open mind, and the 
> desire to
> > > contribute constructively to everyone's broader awareness.
> > > 
> > > How much of this have we seen lately?





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