--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nice post. Thanks for the feedback and insights. Comments below. > > --- In [email protected], TurquoiseB <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Akasha, I'm with you on this. > > > > I'm not going to try to address your points or bounce > > off of them, because 1) it's late here, and 2) I'm a > > compulsive straightener-uppoer, and I'd have to spend > > a lot of time reformatting the lines you wrote to keep > > them from wrapping and getting all ugly. :-) So what > > I'll do is riff on your thoughts with some of mine. > > > > I am by nature a tantric, in the sense that I get off > > on polarities. What I do for fun, and for spiritual fun, > > is "surf energies," often the more polarized energies > > the better. > > > > I *completely* understand your subjective experience of > > having your tendency to objectify women *lessened* by > > visiting a strip club. I have experienced exactly the > > same thing. > > It is such a fundamental, yet counter-intuitive thing. I am not > making a universal claim that this occurs for all. But my few visits > to clubs have been a sort of de-objectification therapy. And not > just that. Other "therapies" play a larger role. > > The sum of which has put my appreciation of women, particular women > I recently meet, or women i seek to meet, in better balance. > (Perspective and grows naturally over time with women I get to > know.) > > Instead of the past response at times of, "I'd love to meet those > breasts", physical attributes have become less important. For me > they such were never the end all and be all. I have mostly sought > intelligence and humor over looks. And I know all men say that in > public, but -- what can I say -- thats how i am. But even so, there > has been an immediacy of getting a bit impacted ("blown away"?) when > meeting women. Or seeing women and seeking to meet them. Physicality > has not disappeared, just the "value weights" have been evened out.
For me, especially as I get older and my vision gets poorer, I often find that I don't even *see* the physical appearance until after I've gotten to know the person. When I first meet a woman I find myself attracted to, it is her *aura* that attracts me. It's not that I always see "auras" distinctly (although sometimes I do); it's more like I get a "hit" on the person, sometimes from half a block away, long *before* the person is close enough that my old eyes can tell whether she is physically attractive or not. I guess I'm just an aura lecher. :-) > > And some > > of the stories -- about Buddhism and the pursuit of > > self discovery -- that emerged from that brothel were, > > in my opinion, quite high, as was the subjective exper- > > ience of writing them. > > I have had similar experiences in clubs of "highness" clarity, > expansivness (well maybe thats a poor choice of words) in doing > various internal observation "exercises" I do. I don't do any particular techniques when I'm in such places, just enjoy. That seems to be the most effec- tive "technique" for me. > > Anyway, to your points, I think that different people > > have different predilections in life. Some, like you and > > I, seem to be able to immerse ourselves in an environment > > that many consider negative and low-vibe, and emerge from > > the experience higher and purified. Go figure. Others, in > > the exact same environment, would have their state of > > attention lowered. Go figure again. > > Yes, like I said, I am not making a universal claim. I just know > what my experience is. > > > If you are of the latter predilection, no amount of talk > > or intellectual explanation is going to sway you from > > your belief that strip clubs are low-vibe and/or that they > > objectify women or somehow demean them. It's a "gut" feel- > > ing for them; their body just *reacts* to certain stimuli > > in a way that, for them, is not positive. Other people > > react other ways. > > Yes. There are some that I think will be that way almost regardless > of the tesimony of contrary experince by some. Having lived in Europe for a couple of years now, the *level* of sexual prudery and intolerance and dis-ease that is America just *astounds* me. It's like an entire society that should be checked into a Psych ward at times, when the subject of sex comes up. > > My favorite singer/songwriter, Bruce Cockburn, > > yea, I have long liked him. I think he's a remarkable human being, one of the few spiritual artists (he's a strong Christian, one of the "good" ones) who walks the walk of his spirituality. Unc ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
