So, for the years 1977 through 1986, he was still doing TM?
L
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@...> wrote:
>
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "sparaig" <LEnglish5@> wrote:
> >
> > The irony, for me, is that ever since Robin decided he was
> > perfect 25 years ago, he has never done TM again, or so
> > his words in that message and more recently, to me, seem
> > to apply.
> >
> > Does the term "stuck" mean anything?
>
> It describes your view of Robin quite well, actually.
> Among other things, that view appears to get in the
> way of reading what he's actually written (including
> getting the dates wrong). You might just want to
> reread the paragraph from my post that you quote
> that begins "According to him..." and compare it to
> what you just wrote above. ("According to him" refers
> to his posts on FFL, in case that was a source of
> confusion for you.)
>
> No, he never did TM after he realized, around 1986,
> that his enlightenment in 1976 (37 years ago) had
> been a state that had fostered serious delusions.
>
> For the next 25-plus years, he struggled to *get out*
> of that state of enlightenment-cum-delusion.
>
> How it could *possibly* be seen as ironic that he
> did not continue the practice that was responsible
> for the state that had resulted in extreme suffering
> for himself and many other people is unclear to me.
> He wanted nothing more than to be free of that state.
> And apparently he's been pretty successful at
> getting *unstuck* from it.
>
>
> >
> >
> > L
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > And my respect for Robin is a logical extension of it -
> > > > he must have thought of himself, carried on from his
> > > > Guru Maharishi, as infallible and invulnerable when he
> > > > became a Guru.
> > >
> > > I'm not sure that's quite how it happened, Ravi. At
> > > least it isn't according to Robin. He says the sense of
> > > infallibility and invulnerability were *experiential*,
> > > not some ideas he picked up from Maharishi. Robin's not
> > > a moodmaker (TM term meaning, essentially, pretending
> > > to oneself that one is in an advanced state of
> > > consciousness).
> > >
> > > Did you ever read his account of what happened on the
> > > mountain? Have a look:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316412
> > >
> > > According to him, that experience *never went away*,
> > > until he fought it off little by little starting 10
> > > years later after the group collapsed. It took him 25
> > > years to get rid of most of it, to get his free will
> > > back, his sense of individuality back. From what he
> > > says, it was a titanic, prolonged, agonizing struggle
> > > that nearly killed him.
> > >
> > > If you're up to it, have a look at this too:
> > >
> > > http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/316397
> > >
> > > It's his first response to LordKnows's attack last
> > > August, and it's a pretty good overall summary of his
> > > experience during those 10 years.
> > >
> > > > Then because of reality's grace he was humbled into
> > > > admitting his fallibility and vulnerability
> > >
> > > The way I read what he's said, he was forced to
> > > recognize that he *must* be fallible and vulnerable,
> > > but it took much, much longer for him to
> > > *experience* himself as such. It wasn't like having
> > > a profound insight in a therapist's office and then
> > > seeing everything in one's life differently as a
> > > result. It wasn't *psychological*, in other words.
> > >
> > > > and thereby developing the qualities I mention.
> > > >
> > > > I think these qualities of Robin are very charming.
> > >
> > > Those qualities were developed at tremendous cost.
> > >
> > > > Xeno and Barry - too fucking retarded to understand it.
> > >
> > > Yup. I have to say, though, that I don't think any
> > > of us--you more than most, but still--can really
> > > understand what he went through. I know I don't. I
> > > have the broad outlines conceptually, but no more
> > > than that. Hell, as articulate as he is, he can't
> > > *explain* it much more than that.
> > >
> > > But it's certainly entirely possible to understand
> > > it better than Barry and Xeno do.
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:16 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@>wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Of course then this is the very basis of my arguments against Gurus
> > > > > like
> > > > > Amma and Maharishi as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > The minute they proclaim themselves as infallible, invulnerable with a
> > > > > special insight into reality they can never have the qualities of
> > > > > accountability, self-honesty and integrity. And in the absence of that
> > > > > their core remains stunted, the character and personality remains
> > > > > stunted.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 4:06 PM, Ravi Chivukula
> > > > > <chivukula.ravi@>wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >> With regard to your last paragraph, yes that is the difference isn't
> > > > >> it?
> > > > >>
> > > > >> How much accountability does one shows to all of one's actions, and
> > > > >> at a
> > > > >> deeper level one's thoughts, emotionsâ. This accountability then
> > > > >> translates
> > > > >> to one's self-honesty and ultimately to integrity.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> So my measures of a person are then these 3 qualities -
> > > > >> accountability,
> > > > >> self-honesty and integrity. Who displays these qualities? Clearly
> > > > >> each one
> > > > >> of us are fallible, vulnerable and we make mistakes. So the process
> > > > >> of
> > > > >> acquiring these 3 qualities involves admitting one's fallibility and
> > > > >> vulnerability.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Robin scores exceptionally high on these qualities. Your dear Judy,
> > > > >> for
> > > > >> me - display these qualities as well.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Barry and Xeno - ZERO, their actions here shows us that they complete
> > > > >> lack integrity. They are blind to their malicious vindictiveness and
> > > > >> dishonesty - perhaps because they clearly aren't taking
> > > > >> responsibility and
> > > > >> accountability for their feelings that are causing them to slander
> > > > >> Robin
> > > > >> here - be it jealousy, vindictiveness or any other deeper negative
> > > > >> emotions. Xeno is more terrible, he acts as if he is some mature,
> > > > >> wise,
> > > > >> compassionate person at least Barry rejoices in his overt sadism.
> > > > >>
> > > > >> Really sad and pathetic behavior on the part of Barry and Xeno.
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >>
> > > > >> On Wed, Jun 26, 2013 at 3:52 PM, authfriend <authfriend@> wrote:
> > > > >>
> > > > >>> **
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" <authfriend@>
> > > > >>> wrote:
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@>
> > > > >>> > wrote:
> > > > >>> (snip)
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> > > Then folks who had been there and had seen him do this
> > > > >>> > > started showing up on FFL, and Robin knew that the jig
> > > > >>> > > was up, so he confessed to having done it,
> > > > >>> >
> > > > >>> > Total, blatant, deliberate, malicious lie. See my earlier
> > > > >>> > post on this for the unequivocal details.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> A bit of clarification here. Before she read Robin's
> > > > >>> Open Letter, Ann posted (her post appeared only one
> > > > >>> minute after his) about one incident at a public
> > > > >>> seminar (she was there for most if not all of them,
> > > > >>> videotaping them) in which the glasses of someone who
> > > > >>> was being "confronted" onstage fell to the ground and
> > > > >>> shattered. She didn't see Robin actually hit him,
> > > > >>> wasn't sure there was any physical contact. She did
> > > > >>> say that it was the *only* incident she had observed
> > > > >>> during Robin's seminars that could conceivably qualify
> > > > >>> as a physical assault.
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> LordKnows was apparently at that seminar too and
> > > > >>> said here that the confrontee had told him he had
> > > > >>> thought his jaw was broken. If that's true, then
> > > > >>> *somebody* hit him, most likely Robin (although
> > > > >>> as I understand it there were other people on the
> > > > >>> stage).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> Robin has never addressed this incident; he left FFL
> > > > >>> very shortly after making his Open Letter post (in
> > > > >>> that case, Xeno, it *was* because of negative
> > > > >>> feedback about the post, primarily a particularly
> > > > >>> vicious one from Curtis).
> > > > >>>
> > > > >>> BTW, the above is representative of the difference
> > > > >>> between Barry and me where respect for the truth is
> > > > >>> concerned. I remembered something I had not covered
> > > > >>> in my original post and came back to add it, even
> > > > >>> though it *appears* not to be favorable to Robin's
> > > > >>> case. Barry would never, ever fix an omission unless
> > > > >>> it *benefited* his argument to do so.
> > >
> >
>
