Thank you Ann. This is rough coming in here and tying this up this stuff. At least the Sprint bill was manageable at $568.00. (family gets included though)
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" wrote: > > Steve, have a wonderful few days off. Forget about all this FFL stuff and enjoy your family and your time away. I am sure you work very hard so take this time to revel in the fruits of your labours. Safe travels. > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ wrote: > > > > Thank you Jim. > > A couple things come to mind. (as I am here at work, getting things in > > order so that I can go on vacation tomorrow with a somewhat unfettered > > mind) > > I am not sure if I have as much invested in this site as Judy. On the > > other hand, I do tend to trust my judgments, which many times are snap > > judgements. > > And it may be that when I take the time, to look more closely at > > something, (as I did recently at Judy's prodding), such as whether Robin > > was being truthful when he said he didn't strike someone, (and the > > context), then it may be that I modify my position some. > > But in that exact example a lot of effort was expended for a pretty > > small adjustment. > > I think the main complaint I hear about me is that I am too emotional in > > my judgments. > > Perhaps I am. > > On the other hand, it is always nice to have the real world to help you > > keep score on things. > > I will read over what you've written and see if anything else comes to > > mind. > > But I just don't know if I can come around to seeing Judy in a different > > light, than what I do. > > I'll try to keep an open mind. > > Thanks for your feedback. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ wrote: > > > > > > Hey Steve, I've been following this back and forth, for awhile. In > > terms of how you like to interact here, which I think mirrors your daily > > life and work, congenial, comes to mind. You and I could probably go to > > lunch and not mention TM, or any of the FFL topics, and still have > > plenty to yak about, and have a good time. I enjoy not always winding > > everything out, too. > > > > > > On the other hand, it was my business and skill for many years, to > > ensure clarity and understanding regarding the design, development, and > > transfer of very technical knowledge, to engineers and technicians, so > > that satellites, lasers, large phone switches, and data centers, for > > example, didn't fuck up. As a result, I can determine, when I want to > > put the effort into it, now that I don't *have* to, whether or not > > someone is being illogical, exaggerating, skewing material, has a hidden > > agenda, etc. Over so many years of analysis, it becomes obvious. > > > > > > Judy has a very consistent approach here. She is intent on unraveling > > the writing of those who are professing to say one thing, and in fact, > > through the mechanisms I referred to earlier, are saying something quite > > different. Further, if someone is simply expressing something, is there > > integrity in the expression? > > > > > > We do not have the luxury here to evaluate someone's body language and > > expressions here. It is all expressed through writing. So, the > > interactions between us are sometimes less than congenial, because there > > is no other way to further the thoughts expressed, sometimes, than to > > take exception. In everyday interaction, a raised eyebrow, or quick joke > > may suffice to move a conversation along, but here, with writing as the > > only tool, everything must be spelled out. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Bless you Judy. I am going to take a nod from the Share playbook > > and > > > > offer you compassion. > > > > You'll have to find someone else to play with tonight. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" steve.sundur@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" > > steve.sundur@ > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > sure Judy. Carry on with your truth campaign. as Curtis > > aptly > > > > > > > > pointed out: for someone to constantly declare how > > "dedicated to > > > > > > > > truth" they are, is not unlike the magician telling everyone > > > > > > > > repeatedly how "this is a plain, ordinary deck" with which I > > am > > > > > > > > going to perform this trick. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not if the person is in fact dedicated to truth, unlike the > > > > > > > magician. Curtis isn't, you aren't (as I just got done > > noting), > > > > > > > Barry obviously isn't. So it isn't at all surprising that the > > > > > > > three of you would be anxious to portray a truth-teller as > > > > > > > a deceiver, is it? > > > > > > > > > > Can I assume you're afraid to answer my question, Stevie? > > > > > > > > > > And that's you in a nutshell, isn't Judy. You can > > > > > > fill in the blank, (as you do), > > > > > > > > > > Which blank would this be, Stevie? > > > > > > > > > > with whomever you determine to be the > > > > > > liar of the hour, or the day. Usually there is no shortage of > > > > > > candidates. > > > > > > > > > > Actually they don't change much from week to week, Stevie. > > > > > > > > > > > And that, pretty much is how you spend your posts here. > > > > > > > > > > And that what, Stevie? Your writing is pretty incoherent > > > > > tonight. I don't think you quite got what I've been saying. > > > > > > > > > > But it's obvious you aren't happy about the truths I've > > > > > been telling, Stevie--you know, like the one about your > > > > > having blamed DrD for bringing up Barry's brother's > > > > > suicide when it was actually Barry who did that. And > > > > > another truth is that you've never retracted your > > > > > accusation nor apologized to DrD for it. > > > > > > > > > > I'm truly sorry that it makes you so uncomfortable, > > > > > Stevie, but them's the breaks. > > > > > > > > > > > And I am glad you have something to aspire towards. Perhaps > > someone > > > > > > here will take up your cause and make a nomination. > > > > > > I think it would make for a fascinating vetting process. > > > > > > And yikes. Could it be that you could be a possible candidate > > for > > > > the > > > > > > two different awards that have shown up now. > > > > > > > > > > Oh, Stevie, you've already forgotten what I said in my > > > > > earlier post, and you've even quoted it below. See if > > > > > you can find it. A little practice exercise for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > but this is how you choose to spend your life force, so I > > > > > > > > hope is gratifying for you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not being concerned about the truth, you probably aren't > > > > > > > aware that there are many people who have dedicated their > > > > > > > lives to the truth, sometimes even *sacrificed* their > > > > > > > lives to the truth. Truth and truth-telling have generally > > > > > > > been highly regarded throughout history, something to > > > > > > > strive for. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.ridenhour.org/prizes_truth_telling.html > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (I wouldn't consider myself to come close to deserving > > > > > > > such a prize because my efforts have been so limited.) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But there are always those who can't see the importance of > > > > > > > truth, who find it inconvenient and annoying, not worth the > > > > > > > effort; and even those who believe truth just gets in the > > > > > > > way of their needs and desires and whims. And sometimes, of > > > > > > > course, such people are just cowards who *fear* the truth. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "seventhray27" > > > > steve.sundur@ > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I wonder if anyone even reads those rebuttals. But I > > suppose > > > > > > > > > > they are gratifying to you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Right, the point is to get the truth on the record. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I mean, for example, I certainly wouldn't expect you > > > > > > > > > to retract and apologize for accusing DrD of bringing > > > > > > > > > up Barry's brother's suicide when, as I pointed out in > > > > > > > > > one of those posts, it was actually Barry himself who > > > > > > > > > had done so. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But that error--blaming DrD for Barry's own behavior-- > > > > > > > > > can't be allowed to stand unrefuted. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's just the way it is in this world. Some people > > > > > > > > > care about the truth, and some don't. The former can't > > > > > > > > > force the latter to care, so they do the best they can > > > > > > > > > to ensure the truth is not obscured by those who don't > > > > > > > > > care about it. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
