His rap in the third hour was about consciousness due to the fact that he has a friend who just passed away who wrote about consciousness. Curious, I was wondering why Thom was using terms similar to TM like ones to describe enlightenment. Then he just mentioned the first type of meditation he tried was TM. If you can find a later broadcast since he is syndicated at different hours on different station you can hear his rap. Otherwise try in a couple weeks on the White Rose Society site for today's broadcast. For some reason they think the MP3s are a profit center and though you can listen to the show via their live MP3 stream (which can be recorded) they don't have archives on Hartmann's web site.