--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "authfriend" wrote: > > Ann, I wish I had written this incisive analysis. You > have done the impossible: You have actually managed to > nail Jell-O to the wall.
> > Deep bow. > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" awoelflebater@ wrote: > > > > Thanks for taking the time to re-answer this. I was originally asking the Almighty Barry for his feedback but I appreciate yours. Let's see if I can make any sense of it and, in turn, offer something that appeals to your sensibility. > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Xenophaneros Anartaxius" wrote: > > > > > > ---awoelflebater wrote (July 27): > > > > > > > Teacher, teacher, my hand is up, pick me. > > > > > > > *What can you say about the button pushers of the world? > > > > > > Probably not much. Because the human nervous system responds to situations in a stimulus response pattern, basically all our activity revolves around button pushing. You are just codifying certain types of stimulus response that functions at a more mentally conceptual level and which you interpret as annoying. > > > > You see, here is the most important point. Barry has only pushed my "buttons" once. That is when he was foaming at the mouth about "stupid cunts". Other than that he only imagines he pushes my buttons. I have very sticky buttons that are not only tricky to find but trickier to actually depress. So all this time he claims he is pushing buttons but I am sorry to have to admit to him that this is not so. I don't ever take Barry personally nor do I take him seriously therefore I am immune to him. But, as with anyone, if he becomes a big enough asshole I will call him on it because that is what I do. > > > > > > > *What motivates them? > > > > > > Don't know. Desire is pretty spontaneous, it wells up inside and then takes form. Motivation is a post hoc attempt to explain this particularly defined annoying behaviour. There could be many explanations. Perhaps a person wants attention; or just wants to see what happens; or maybe is unaware to a large extent of how what they do affects others. > > > > You may be right. Whatever it is, it is an indicator of something. I imagine that if people get off pushing, or imagining they are pushing, the buttons of others that it is just a form of sadism. It is also a clue that this person thinks they can control and that other people are controllable. This, in turn, makes me think button pushers are bullies or have been bullied. > > > > > > > *What overriding character trait must a button pusher possess in order to want to push people's buttons? > > > > > > They must have a human nervous system, but 'character trait' is an attempt to create a definition for a certain kind of behaviour. > > > > "Character trait" is simply describing or attributing a characteristic of someone's actions to something else. You can play the objective, disassociated party all you want Xeno, but bottom line, different people have different characters and different traits that go along with those characters. We are not some nebulous, miasma floating around in some indefinable goo. We have edges and colours and definition. On some level we are not just some abstract Absolute; a part of us actually exists and functions and has substance. > > > > >In the US, Democrats push Republican buttons and vice versa. You could reverse the argument and ask what character trait does a button pushee have that allows them to get their buttons pushed? Among these would be a characteristic that one possess a system of belief that does not accurately represent reality. When a discrepancy in this conglomerate of beliefs is pointed out, the button gets pushed. There are also non-conceptual buttons, such as being tickled if you are ticklish. I think the main characteristic falls on we who get our buttons pushed. By blaming someone else, we don't have to clean our own house. > > > > Come onnnn. You are human, are you not? I mean, I think you are but you don't act human at least half of the time. You speak in complete abstractions. These abstractions, in turn, end up being meaningless because they aren't actually focused or therefore relevant. You also seem to believe that if someone reacts or even interacts with another that somehow this indicates that their buttons have been pushed. This is simply not so. Just because some people can be odiously assholish doesn't mean they have pushed buttons. It means they probably prompted someone to call them on their lying or their misrepresentation or their shortsightedness. There are those who exist to try and piss others off as if this is somehow a worthy cause. I guess I need a definition of "button" from you because it seems like you are perceiving anyone who takes exception to lies or rudeness is somehow to blame for something. Take a look at your last sentence in the paragraph above. > > > > > > Button pushing does get out of hand in human civilisation. War is the best example. The divergence in conceptual thinking is so great, the only way to eliminate it is to remove one or both sides of the equation. Look at what happened recently in Egypt. > > > > I would venture to say that the escalation toward war would be best described as something other than "button pushing". There has to be a far more powerful set of forces congealing together in order to crescendo into what we define as war. Pushing buttons is the stuff of web forums and schoolyards. > > > > > > > *Does a button pusher ever admit to themselves that perhaps what they call button pushing is merely an unsavoury character trait possessed by the button pusher that others take a disliking to? > > > > > > Maybe they do and maybe they do not. But by putting the onus on another person, you do not see that it takes two to tango. > > > > Not always. There is often the instigator, the one who begins the volley. What the other does with the ball that lands in their court is something else. There can be an onus; life is not always this hazy, grey indefinable mush as you seem to indicate here. People really can offend, can splatter a bag of shit in someone's face. Theoretical is not real life, Xeno. > > > > > > > *Is this 'reaction' ever valid or warranted by the pushees? > > > > > > First of all it happens. What happens and how the pushee responds and evaluates, and how the pushee feels their response is warranted or valid depends on their internal world view. The button pusher probably does not share that world view, and in their mind, the stimulus is both warranted and valid. > > > > Perhaps. I think some button pushers just do it because it makes them happy, gives them smug satisfaction. Button pushers must lack excitement, stimulation in their lives as evidenced by the fact that they have to create petty drama and draw attention to themselves as a result. In Barry's case he sucks it towards himself then pretends he isn't getting off on it. He is constantly masterbating under the covers. > > > > > > > *And finally teacher, what does is say about a person who sits by and allows others to throw shit around the room and not get up and at least leave or, better still, confront the shit thrower? > > > > > > Some of us are our brother's keeper, and some of us are not. It is a fluid social situation. This situation does not exist if the stimulus response is restricted to just the two - the button pusher, and the person with buttons. The people closest to you, like family, probably know more about how to push your buttons than anyone. When there is a group, battle lines may be drawn. It tends to happen here on FFL. > > > > I am not sure how this relates to my question. > > > > > > The tendency to defend another may be a function of how defenseless a button pushee is in relation to those who push. When I was in middle school, there was a retarded kid who would get flack from the bully types. I felt a tendency to get between them and at the very least not make fun of the kid, which is actually difficult at that age - peer pressure and all. I think the family of that boy wanted him to go to school in as normal an environment as possible, or perhaps could not afford a special school. It must have been some kind of special dispensation, because the boy could not perform at the grade level he had been placed in. > > > > > > Even if we fail, the onus is on us to be a strong as possible in the face of adversity. > > > > > > If worse comes to worse, you just have to kill the bastard(s) or die yourself. (Sometimes they are bitches.) > > > > Well, I think in this situation (we are only talking about Barry, after all) that won't be necessary. A well placed jab to the metaphorical solar plexus is all that's usually required. > > > > > >