Oh and one more thing Rory. The reason I had to go hard at you is because of fanciful claim of being enlightened, all those posts about UC, GC, BC - drove me nuts, if it wasn't I would have taken it easy. So by the very nature of your fanciful claims you made it harder for me. Sorry Rory.
On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.r...@gmail.com>wrote: > Rory, > > It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an > attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I > apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging > your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your > belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual > experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I > certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for > me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you > seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This > becomes clear in several statements you have made. > > Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you > had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for > anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just > fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it > only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of > honor. > > No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking > your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry. > This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies - > I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have > offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly > entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I > intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful, > creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it. > > But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such > superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no > ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you > are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous > statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with > something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My > allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter, > superficial, inauthentic friendship. > > I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you > are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you > to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place > of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge > anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really > understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you > participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm > unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your > request. Please be clear here. > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff <roryg...@hotmail.com> wrote: > >> ** >> >> >> Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! >> >> Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the >> very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were >> abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and >> wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if >> you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with >> your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in >> attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking >> him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my >> help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and >> sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me >> than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just >> me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do >> with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of >> it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give >> me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given >> you. >> >> And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall >> clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my >> energetic process "bullcrap" and opining that I am as "phony as a >> three-dollar bill" is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that >> I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours. >> >> Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not >> the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that >> mistake in a hurry again. >> >> Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the >> fulfillment that life has to offer. >> >> Just without me, for the time being. >> >> *L*L*L* >> >> R. >> >> >> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...> >> wrote: >> > >> > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he >> > doesn't deserve to be abused." >> > >> > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? >> > >> > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and >> > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs >> are >> > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, >> > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I >> am >> > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a >> sweet >> > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around >> Amma >> > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course >> I >> > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to >> > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs >> > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and >> > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In >> this >> > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose >> the >> > rude, harsh way. >> > >> > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish >> gentleman >> > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in >> 2009 - >> > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure >> > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and >> used to >> > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of >> a >> > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and >> I >> > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him >> I >> > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has >> seen >> > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks >> > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I >> > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support >> them >> > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's >> > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. >> > >> > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come >> > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a >> philosophy I >> > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously >> > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not >> going >> > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. >> > >> > >> > >> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@...> wrote: >> > >> > > ** >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> >> > > wrote: >> > > > >> > > > The party continues...and parties need music... >> > > > >> > > > Bringing you da freshest! >> > > > >> > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if >> I >> > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks. >> > > > >> > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) >> > > > >> > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot >> > > > >> > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 >> > > >> > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the >> little >> > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't >> deserve to >> > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. >> > > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> >> >> > >