Oh and one more thing Rory. The reason I had to go hard at you is because
of fanciful claim of being enlightened, all those posts about UC, GC, BC -
drove me nuts, if it wasn't I would have taken it easy. So by the very
nature of your fanciful claims you made it harder for me. Sorry Rory.




On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:58 PM, Ravi Chivukula
<chivukula.r...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Rory,
>
> It's clear that I have upset you and you have taken my challenge as an
> attack on your very being, your integrity and your spiritual experiences. I
> apologize for causing you pain but I will make no apologies for challenging
> your belief system - I have done my best to clarify that I was mocking your
> belief system, your narrative and not you as a person, your spiritual
> experiences. You are not the first person and you won't be the last. I
> certainly don't think you are enlightened, that's a hilarious notion for
> me. But I don't think you are in a space to see that difference since you
> seem so emotionally, psychologically invested in your belief system. This
> becomes clear in several statements you have made.
>
> Thank you for considering me as your friend, for the respect and love you
> had. But I question the basis of such a friendship now - I never cared for
> anyone's support back in 2010/11 - I could handle Barry and others just
> fine on my own, in fact I was having a blast. If someone calls me crazy it
> only titillates me, I enjoy it, I feed off of it, I wear it as a badge of
> honor.
>
> No - I didn't go on a tirade against you and no - my reason for mocking
> your belief system is not because you won't support me in attacking Barry.
> This is hilarious Rory - I don't play like that. There are Ravi's cronies -
> I don't know how you got that into your head. Perhaps Obba's posts have
> offended you - we are good friends and we are playful and silly, mostly
> entertaining each other. I like her crazy, witty, creative posts and so I
> intentionally poke her so I can get her into posting a crazy, playful,
> creative post and then enjoying the hilarity of it.
>
> But I would detest if anyone including Obba supported me because of such
> superficial agenda. There's no *agenda* here - you hear me Rory - no
> ganging up on Barry - that's a fiction, there's no Ravi's group here - you
> are fantasizing - you have made this process worse by highly ludicrous
> statements like this. If tomorrow Obba or any others I like come up with
> something I don't like I will directly say so, I will challenge them. My
> allegiance is to the truth not some fantasy rapport, love, light, laughter,
> superficial, inauthentic friendship.
>
> I don't appreciate bullshit like this Rory regardless of the fact that you
> are hurt. You apparently are an extremely fragile person - I will leave you
> to your fate but remember this is an online discussion list, it is a place
> of battle hardened veterans as Jason once remarked. I am free to challenge
> anyone with what you refer to as *my patented tirades*. So I don't really
> understand what you mean by - *leave me out of it*. As long as you
> participate here you will referred to, you may say - hey Ravi I'm
> unsubscribing - don't mock me anymore and then I may choose to honor your
> request. Please be clear here.
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 11:05 PM, RoryGoff <roryg...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>>
>> Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering!
>>
>> Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the
>> very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here were
>> abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected you and
>> wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as Gospel -- as if
>> you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you to fly at me with
>> your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I won't join you in
>> attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a fine job of attacking
>> him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and certainly don't need my
>> help. I have found in my own life that I generally reap what I sow, and
>> sowing love and trying to find common ground usually works better for me
>> than hate, name-calling and abuse. Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just
>> me. My life is my own work of art, and yours is yours. You are free to do
>> with yours what you want, but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of
>> it, and I will leave you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give
>> me at least as much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given
>> you.
>>
>> And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your overall
>> clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your calling my
>> energetic process "bullcrap" and opining that I am as "phony as a
>> three-dollar bill" is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply bullcrap that
>> I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me in yours.
>>
>> Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not
>> the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that
>> mistake in a hurry again.
>>
>> Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all the
>> fulfillment that life has to offer.
>>
>> Just without me, for the time being.
>>
>> *L*L*L*
>>
>> R.
>>
>>
>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@...>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he
>> > doesn't deserve to be abused."
>> >
>> > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how?
>> >
>> > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude and
>> > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional beliefs
>> are
>> > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional,
>> > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. I
>> am
>> > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a
>> sweet
>> > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around
>> Amma
>> > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of course
>> I
>> > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going to
>> > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs
>> > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and
>> > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In
>> this
>> > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose
>> the
>> > rude, harsh way.
>> >
>> > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish
>> gentleman
>> > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in
>> 2009 -
>> > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father figure
>> > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and
>> used to
>> > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders of
>> a
>> > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother and
>> I
>> > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told him
>> I
>> > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has
>> seen
>> > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks
>> > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even as I
>> > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support
>> them
>> > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's
>> > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment.
>> >
>> > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come
>> > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a
>> philosophy I
>> > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously
>> > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not
>> going
>> > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged.
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@...> wrote:
>> >
>> > > **
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@>
>> > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > The party continues...and parties need music...
>> > > >
>> > > > Bringing you da freshest!
>> > > >
>> > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even if
>> I
>> > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling dipsticks.
>> > > >
>> > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30)
>> > > >
>> > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot
>> > > >
>> > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013
>> > >
>> > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the
>> little
>> > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't
>> deserve to
>> > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you.
>> > > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>  
>>
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