--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "Ann" <awoelflebater@...> wrote: > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote: > > > > "Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not the > > fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make that > > mistake in a hurry again." > > > > Hi Rory, What are you doing in the passage above? Number one, you can't > > heal people in the way you are talking about, without their permission. I > > am just curious what you were doing - my question is genuine, and not > > rhetorical. > > Good point Doc. (Are you a cardiologist?) As much as some of us find certain > behaviours odious or rank here none of us are probably going to change one > molecule of anyone who is wedded to a way of dealing with and looking at > life. However, as long as I continue to read posts I find I need to respond, > either in support or in question of or in horror and disgust at what is > apparent from those posts. I simply can not sit by and watch a pile steam and > not make a move to demand the dumper clean it up.
**Yeah, me neither. Kids need boundaries.:-) > > However, I can also understand how this place can overwhelm and even hurt > someone. It can be mighty rough and while maybe Rory wasn't actually holding > anyone in his heart as a way to heal them he was using the term > metaphorically to mean when he interacts with others there is a natural > bringing of them into his heart. Of course, you know Rory much, much better > than I do so if you are asking him this question my answer/theory on this is > probably wrong. **I hope he re-engages. > > > > Sometimes I'll knock at a door more than once, and everybody gets a second > > chance, but at the end of the day, I try not to solve problems for others > > that they don't see as such. Doesn't stop me from being myself around them, > > either. > > > > I personally like strong engagement sometimes. It challenges my focus, my > > discrimination, and my feelings. With both Judy and Ravi, I track the > > center line with both, and correct any misinterpretations. Don't have a > > long term issue with either, as far as I know. > > > > Fist-bump, dude. > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "raunchydog" <raunchydog@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, "RoryGoff" <rorygoff@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Thanks, Jim, I appreciate the offering! > > > > > > > > Ravi, I did consider you a friend; as you may recall I was one of the > > > > very few here who stood up for you and defended you, when most here > > > > were abusing you and calling you crazy, etc. I have always respected > > > > you and wished you well. I have no real beliefs that I hold to as > > > > Gospel -- as if you have any clarity at all you can see -- so for you > > > > to fly at me with your patented tirades, is I suspect mainly because I > > > > won't join you in attacking Barry. I think you and your cronies do a > > > > fine job of attacking him all by yourselves; you seem to enjoy it, and > > > > certainly don't need my help. I have found in my own life that I > > > > generally reap what I sow, and sowing love and trying to find common > > > > ground usually works better for me than hate, name-calling and abuse. > > > > Usually, anyhow. But maybe that's just me. My life is my own work of > > > > art, and yours is yours. You are free to do with yours what you want, > > > > but I would appreciate it if you leave me out of it, and I will leave > > > > you out of mine, unless or until you are ready to give me at least as > > > > much respect and appreciation as I have consistently given you. > > > > > > > > And much the same goes for you, Judy -- I have always loved your > > > > overall clarity and appreciate much of what you do here, but your > > > > calling my energetic process "bullcrap" and opining that I am as "phony > > > > as a three-dollar bill" is -- while quite funny in a way -- simply > > > > bullcrap that I don't need in my life. As I suspect you don't need me > > > > in yours. > > > > > > > > Holding the two of you in my heart was essentially self-abuse (and not > > > > the fun kind); it actually has hurt like hell, and I hope I won't make > > > > that mistake in a hurry again. > > > > > > > > Best of luck to the both of you; I do love you both and wish you all > > > > the fulfillment that life has to offer. > > > > > > > > Just without me, for the time being. > > > > > > > > *L*L*L* > > > > > > > > R. > > > > > > > Stick around, Rory. After today, things can only get better. Ravi has a > > > bug up his ass about spiritual teachers and claims of enlightenment. It's > > > *his* bug, so don't let it bother you. I haven't a clue about anyone's > > > state of consciousness regardless of claims and I really don't care one > > > way or another. Whatever floats yer boat. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Ravi Chivukula <chivukula.ravi@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > "From the little I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And > > > > > he > > > > > doesn't deserve to be abused." > > > > > > > > > > Rory was abused - by whom, when, where, how? > > > > > > > > > > Dear Ann - I seriously hope you are not referring to me. I was rude > > > > > and > > > > > harsh - on purpose, because the nature of religious delusional > > > > > beliefs are > > > > > such, they are very deep rooted, people have so much emotional, > > > > > psychological investment in it and I cannot leave them unchallenged. > > > > > I am > > > > > known to be abusive, but not in this case since as you say Rory is a > > > > > sweet > > > > > and gentle soul. But there weren't but sweet and gentle souls around > > > > > Amma > > > > > and many on this list as well and I had to be harsh and rude. Of > > > > > course I > > > > > am not rude and harsh to everyone - if it's a friend I'm still going > > > > > to > > > > > challenge gently and firmly (of course I don't call their beliefs > > > > > delusional but in my mind I do) and I have challenged however hard and > > > > > uncomfortable it is to me. Trust me I don't particularly enjoy it. In > > > > > this > > > > > case Rory is not particularly a close friend and I preferred to chose > > > > > the > > > > > rude, harsh way. > > > > > > > > > > The only person I have given a free pass is a 64 year old Jewish > > > > > gentleman > > > > > named David around Amma, I met him after my mystical experiences in > > > > > 2009 - > > > > > I very much got attracted to David-ji. I consider him as a father > > > > > figure > > > > > and he was in charge of cleaning Amma's temple and I helped him and > > > > > used to > > > > > obey him unconditionally, first time in my life following the orders > > > > > of a > > > > > man in my personal life. So he may talk about Amma as Divine Mother > > > > > and I > > > > > give it as pass though I may address it in a roundabout way. I told > > > > > him I > > > > > attacked Amma online and he just laughed because he knows me and has > > > > > seen > > > > > me as the mad, crazy yogi, an iconoclast who challenges people, mocks > > > > > people beliefs, push people's buttons. This challenge comes up even > > > > > as I > > > > > deal with family members - my dharma, responsibility to love, support > > > > > them > > > > > as a son, as a brother, relative vs my need to challenge people's > > > > > delusional beliefs - it's not easy, I have to assess moment to moment. > > > > > > > > > > So there I hope this explains that somehow. Even if you were to come > > > > > tomorrow come up with a narrative for spiritual experiences, a > > > > > philosophy I > > > > > will challenge it Ann even though I like you very much, but obviously > > > > > gently and firmly. Same applies to any other friend of mine, I am not > > > > > going > > > > > to let any religious delusional belief go unchallenged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Tue, Aug 13, 2013 at 9:00 PM, Ann <awoelflebater@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > ** > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The party continues...and parties need music... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Bringing you da freshest! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This one is dedicated to Rory, who is truly one of my BFFs, even > > > > > > > if I > > > > > > may agree to disagree with him on the protocol for handling > > > > > > dipsticks. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Tuning Into Vedic Radio (3:30) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > https://app.box.com/s/2hx2rylk73cy5vi8p1ot > > > > > > > > > > > > > > copyright Temple Dog 2013 > > > > > > > > > > > > Well then, Rory is blessed with a good friend in you, Doc. From the > > > > > > little > > > > > > I know of Rory he seems a sweet and gentle soul. And he doesn't > > > > > > deserve to > > > > > > be abused. Now I'll listen to your song, and thank you. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >
