To your last point, yes, these concepts are torture, if they are not realized.

--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@... <no_reply@...> wrote:
>
> I am sorry, but this is incorrect, Share. The movement from CC to GC is one 
> of perceiving the finest relative. This gives the mind the entire spectrum of 
> perceived reality to consider, but is not the movement from UC, onward. Both 
> the "me" of CC, and the "me" of GC are the same. There can also be finest 
> perception in GC and not a shred of UC. 
> 
> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Share Long <sharelong60@> wrote:
> >
> > iranitea, I would say that this is a description of the movement from CC to 
> > GC where fullness of fullness, the Absolute moves into the fullness of 
> > emptiness, the relative. The Self in CC has recognized that there is 
> > something else and the heartfelt inquiry into what that something else is, 
> > fuels the ability to overcome the fear of that emptiness. Of course under 
> > the influence of a soma laden physiology, especially the heart, that 
> > emptiness turns out to be the fullness of emptiness so not separate at all.
> > 
> > 
> > And would it not be wonderful if these concepts were not merely allegorical 
> > but also quite literal, mean physical.
> > 
> > 
> > ________________________________
> >  From: iranitea <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
> > To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
> > Sent: Friday, August 23, 2013 6:13 AM
> > Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: How the deluded see the world....
> >  
> > 
> > 
> >   
> > 
> > 
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, doctordumbass@ <no_reply@> wrote:
> > >
> > > Robin could have been in Unity consciousness, where similarity 
> > > predominates, over differences. But that SOC is still relative to one's 
> > > singular identity. The identity must shift to a less localized state to 
> > > grow beyond the Unity SOC. The core fear of duality is still present in 
> > > the Unity SOC, although the perception that this duality is an illusion 
> > > begins to take hold, due to the incontrovertible oneness that the heart 
> > > and intellect begin to sense, outwardly. 
> > > 
> > Dr.D this is an interesting POV, what you say makes sense (even though, I 
> > don't know what is really the case here). But it does remind me of a series 
> > of tapes - probably the spiritual development course - where he speaks of 
> > the fullness of fullness, and the fullness of emptiness (both he calls 
> > 'fullness'). Obviously emptiness is synonymous of duality here. (I don't 
> > think he means the emptiness of the Buddhists). 
> > 
> > He then goes on to describe, that the fullness, obviously Unity, despite of 
> > the fact that it is everywhere, senses, that there is a place where it is 
> > not,at least the possibility of such a place, emptiness, and he speaks of 
> > Fullness moving because of the fear it has of emptiness - Fullness is on 
> > the move - was the phrase he used. I always thought, this is highly 
> > allegorically, fullness on the move would be a synonym for Shakti, but may 
> > be it is borne out of an experience, just like the one you describe.
> >
>


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