--- In [email protected], "markmeredith2002" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> 
> > So you think that the TM leadership is supposed to be better than 
> > everyone else?
> 
> The talks by TM leadership unequivically state that the practice of
> MMY's programs by an individual create "ideal behavior" and "total
> support of the laws of nature" leading to the "inability to make a
> mistake" and "unlimited progress and success" and on the broader 
level
> "invincibility to the nation", "heaven on earth", and 
the "elimination
> of all problems on earth" and so on, and I do mean there's even 
more.
>  All of this happens "in a very short period of time", or "within a
> few weeks" if only gov't would implement the programs.  This is not
> only promised, it is said to "scientific fact".

Actually, I never read it as "enlightenment happens next week."

And if enlightenment doesn't happen in a week, why would the rest of 
the stuff happen in a week? OTOH, effects would be felt literally 
overnight, but they are with TM as well.

> 
> Given the above statements, you might look to the effect of these
> programs on the lives of the people who have been practicing them 
the
> longest and with the most dedication to verify the claims.  You 
would
> also look to the organization itself to gauge the broader societal
> promises.  If there's a large discrepency, then that's called 
hypocrisy.  

Perhaps its your misunderstanding of what is being said?

> 
> It's amazing that TBs don't expect MMY's programs to actually work 
for
> themselves or their organization, but somehow they are still the key
> to "saving the world" if only more money were raised.


I DO expect TM to work for people within the TM organization, but 
don't expect everyone to show saintly behavior overnight.

Some people seem very worried about consenting sexual behavior 
betweent adults -- as though it was the end-all of morality and 
ethics.

I suppose you're one of those happy that the entire Constitutional 
machinery of the USA was involved in impeaching Clinton over lying 
about lying about oral sex?




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