--- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "shempmcgurk" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], akasha_108 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], Rick Archer 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > > on 9/26/05 10:06 AM, Peter at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > > > > >> 
> > > > > >> Why would I care? Hmm, let's see...perhaps because
> > > > > >> of the unbelievable
> > > > > >> pompousness of HE the Honorable Dr. Morris when he
> > > > > >> arrogantly enforces
> > > > > >> policy that he creates while he seems to feel he is
> > > > > >> immune from the
> > > > > >> basics of respectful behavior as in please leave the
> > > > > >> wives of others
> > > > > >> alone and stop calling ladies into your office and
> > > > > >> propositioning them.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > While it is certainly boorish behavior and I do not
> > > > > > support it in the least, the ladies can say no.
> > > > > 
> > > > > Yeah, but it's the old thing of a charismatic, powerful 
man 
> > wowing 
> > > > out an
> > > > > impressionable younger woman. Whether or not Monica came 
on to 
> > him, 
> > > > Bill
> > > > > acted irresponsibly.
> > > > 
> > > > Sure. But does the behavior interfere with the ability to 
get 
> > the job 
> > > > done? In the case of Clinton and Lewinsky, it did, but only 
> > because 
> > > > of a major witch-hunt. 
> > > > 
> > > > Someone has said that Hagelin is sleeping with students, 
> > abandoning 
> > > > them to their tears. That's a problem that goes beyond the 
> > personal 
> > > > morality of those involved.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > Does Haglin still teach courses? I don't know. My impression 
is he 
> > has
> > > his intitute and all and  travels and speaks globally, spends 
a 
> > lot of
> > > time in holland, NY and DC -- and is not in FF enought to teach
> > > regular classes.
> > > 
> > > Does Haglin still teach courses? If not, then he is not 
sleeping 
> > wit
> > > his students, he dosn't have any.
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Hagelin is a figurehead for the university.  Indeed, he is 
BEYOND 
> > being a mere professor.
> 
> Why is  celebrity a factor for acts between consenting adults?




I don't think it should be a factor.

And, yes, I agree that anyone 18 years or older is old enough to 
freely choose whom to have sexual relations with.

Indeed, I don't buy the whole politically correct thing that is 
prevalent on campuses today that prevent relations between faculty 
and students...BUT if the standard IS that political correctness, 
then being a figurehead (hagelin is NOT a celebrity to any stretch 
of the imagination) IS way beyond what should be allowed.






> 
> He doesn't have supervisory responsibility for any students as far 
as
> I can see, so he is not violating meanstream university standards. 
> 
> > If he is sleeping with students it would be on the order of 10 
times 
> > worse than if he were a professor...
> 
> For whom? The university? John's soul? The students involved? True
> Believers' mind sets?

Politically correct standards.




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