> Yup, what he said. All this justification of possibly Maharishi's, > Bevan's and Haglin's behavior - I just don't get it. You wouldn't > expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even > honorable enemies. > > JohnY
Since some of my recent posts may be rolled up in the "all this justification", I have a few thoughts. What I have been arguing against is "black and white" thinking. (Digressing to another topic quickly, I am surprised no one got my "Soul on Ice" allusion / joke the other day.) I have made similar "extremist" -- as in all black or white cases in the past against J and H. And M. See the archives over the past 3 years or so. (Some of my posts are under "OMG123"). In rethinking it, I just see more nuances now, and more parallels to mainstream society. Would I recommend MUM to my daughter (if I had one), or to any women? No. Mainly for the obvious current academic mediocreness of the place, and the "cult" mindset, but also because J and B are acting like slimy weasles. Same with sending my "daughter" to an old style TTC with M. However, I recognize that what John is doing, relative to coeds, is not any different than what happens on most university campuses. Maybe John is a bit older than most "cruising" faculty, but not older than some. The issue I would have, relative to a daughter at MUM, is it is such a small campus and John and Bevan (and I am sure there are others) set such a dominant tone. Regarding married woman, I think that is dispicable. But spraigs stats sound in the ballpark, though perhaps a bit high. Adultry is pretty common place. So if I refused any relations or interaction / business / socializing with every adulterer, my "friends and associates list" would be looking pretty slim. And it takes two to tangle. J and B are not drugging these women and hauling them off to a cave, as far as i know. I imagine some women are seeking them out and doing the seducing. Particularly after word gets out that these single guys like to play. And I an not as extreme in my views as Unc. I think, I know, relations with married women can at times, be helpful to all parties. I don't recommend it, but sometimes it happens and it can enrich everyone. Some marriages are on the rocks and sometimes external forces are forces for the good. And I have seen where it can be devestating. Proabably much more of that than the former. Regarding work, and business associates, I worked for a guy, several rungs down, who is now one of the top two guys in a 30,000 employee Fortune 500 company. He was a good guy, smart, funny, effective -- and charismatic - in the Clinton / Kennedy sense. And women were attracted. He had an easy time of it, and it appeared for a time, he was bopping every woman in sight within the company. He finally had a woodshed moment with the then CEO and things calmed down a bit. But perhaps only a bit. And lots of other stories and insights one obtains over time of top management and thier proclivities. Should I have refused to work for him? Should I have quit a good job because mass adultry was going on? No way. Regarding M, I still have mixed feeling and thoughts. I straddled the bramachari-wannabe and guy in the world roles throughout my teens and 20's. I think it screwed me up -- more so than my natural state, and definately affected my longer term career and family prospects. Coming to grips with his dailances has been difficult on several levels. But I keep coming back to the fact that all the woman, to my knowledge, were consenting. And, contrary to some, I think they had a clear choice. And what a yogi does with his energy flows -- well they are much better than me to judge if its a good thing. So while I am sympathetic to your view, I don't agree that "[we] wouldn't expect that stuff from your friends, or business associates, or even honorable enemies." If you are in the big city (are you in FF?] its out there. More of your friends, or business associates, social acquaintances, teachers, mentors and even honorable enemies may be doing wierd sexual things than you are aware or, or can imagine. Are you going to "drop out" and demand purity. Or let people work out thier own stuff without too much internal judgement clogging up your nadis? ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Get fast access to your favorite Yahoo! Groups. Make Yahoo! your home page http://us.click.yahoo.com/dpRU5A/wUILAA/yQLSAA/JjtolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> To subscribe, send a message to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Or go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ and click 'Join This Group!' Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
