I'm pretty sure the first sidhas course were for TM teachers. Then in summer 
1977 they got rolled out for POM, plain old meditators.




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 From: "authfri...@yahoo.com" <authfri...@yahoo.com>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:09 AM
Subject: RE: Re: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
I mean, to develop the TM-Sidhis course, there would have to be experimentation 
on human "guinea pigs"; common sense tells you that. Or even if it had somehow 
been developed without experimentation and presented as a fait accompli, the 
first people to take the course would automatically be "guinea pigs."


--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:


now that is a good question - how about it, those of you on the first few six 
month courses? Was it known it was experimental before you went?




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 From: "authfriend@..." <authfriend@...>
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 11:27 AM
Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: RE: Mitchell Kapor
 


  
I don't know, I'm just asking--but weren't the course participants all aware 
that it was going to be experimental when they signed up? 



--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>
>
>I don't know if it's been mentioned on this thread already but one vital point 
>Kapor makes about his time on the six-month sidhi course is that he felt he 
>and the other participants were being used as "experimental subjects". That 
>charge carries weight, doesn't it? These early learners were the guinea pigs 
>for the TMO developing its course material.
>
>
>
>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote:
>>
>>
>>I would be surprised if going to this event was OK with the Guardians of the 
>>Doors to the Domes.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>________________________________
>> From: "dhamiltony2k5@..." <dhamiltony2k5@...>
>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 10:14 AM
>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] RE: Re: Mitchell Kapor
>> 
>>
>>
>>  
>> Yeah, the poor aggravated guy.  Of
course we know a lot more now than we did then.  I was on that course
too and it wasn't so bad.  It was great actually.  Would be good now
to also hook someone like that up with a little vipassanaic practice
along with the transcendence and then also cultivating more with that
part in the checking notes about feeling in to the body more.  That
could all be very helpful to anyone going through their time of
acedia.  For instance this person, http://www.timeportalpubs.com/has long been 
very helpful these ways to the meditating
community these ways.  The waking down community here, 
https://sites.google.com/site/wakingdowninfairfield/ has been very helpful 
these ways too for people who suffer this way. Of course you guys left the 
movement long before what it is now as
a meditating community.
>>-Buck   
>>
>>
>>> 
>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and
>>>leaves everything. Story 
>>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using him as a witness 
>>>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
>>>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
>>>> on his interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
>>>> interviewed a psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
>>>> guy Kapor sounds predisposed in life to have problems 
>>>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes twice a day of meditation 
>>>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough for 
>>>> him.
>>>
>>>
>>>Turq writes;
>>>
>>>Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
>>>as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
>>>ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
>>>can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 
>>>
>>>And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
>>>I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
>>>those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
>>>any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
>>>one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
>>>on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
>>>*do* if someone started "heavily unstressing," other than the
>>>aforementioned "more (or less) TM and pranayma." Maybe 
>>>more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
>>>a TM checking can cure anything. 
>>>
>>>In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously so.
>>>But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- "TM is
>>>100% life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negative
>>>situations because by definition on a course on which every-
>>>one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.
>>>
>>>I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
>>>that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
>>>courses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
>>>long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
>>>insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
>>>reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* 
>>>for those things, because by definition on a TM course 
>>>nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just 
>>>wouldn't allow it. 
>>>
>>>And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever 
>>>it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.
>>>Maybe a checking. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>Buck schticks (at least I hope it's schtick):
>>>
>>>> 
>>>>> Kapor evidently gets angry and leaves everything. Story 
>>>> of his life evidently. And, you are using
him as a witness 
>>>> against something? You are cherry picking. Did you 
>>>> actually read the Kapor interview through? Rick Archer 
>>>> on his
interview show about spirituality, Batgap.com just 
>>>> interviewed a
psychiatrist about this kind of thing. This 
>>>> guy Kapor sounds
predisposed in life to have problems 
>>>> where ever he goes. 20 minutes
twice a day of meditation 
>>>> with liberal pranayama should proly be good enough
for 
>>>> him.
>>>
>>>Buck, you (or your altered-state ego) would have been perfect
>>>as course leaders of long residence courses back then. What-
>>>ever course participants complain of -- *whatever* it is -- it
>>>can be cured by pranayama and more (or less) TM. 
>>>
>>>And I understand. Back when I worked at the Regional Office,
>>>I was such a TB that the implications of how we were running
>>>those courses never occurred to me. We never -- NEVER -- gave
>>>any thought to what we'd do if something serious came up on
>>>one of our courses. We had no liability insurance, no doctors
>>>on call, and no list of what the course leaders should actually
>>>*do* if someone started "heavily unstressing," other than the
>>>aforementioned "more (or less) TM and pranayma." Maybe 
>>>more asanas. And definitely a checking. Everyone knows that
>>>a TM checking can cure anything. 
>>>
>>>In retrospect we were incredibly naive, and dangerously
 so.
>>>But we had all bought into that core dogma thang -- "TM is
>>>100% life-supporting." We didn't have to plan for negative
>>>situations because by definition on a course on which every-
>>>one was practicing TM nothing negative could ever happen.
>>>
>>>I suspect that some here will dispute this. I further suspect
>>>that those doing so didn't spend much time on long rounding
>>>courses, and by "long" I mean in excess of six weeks. Those
>>>long courses in Europe didn't have any liability or medical
>>>insurance, either, and they certainly didn't have a team of
>>>reliable doctors on call. But of course there was no *need* 
>>>for those things, because by definition on a TM course 
>>>nothing bad could happen. The Laws Of Nature just 
>>>wouldn't allow it. 
>>>
>>>And if anything bad *did* happen, no problemo. Whatever 
>>>it is, it can be cured with pranayama and more (or less) TM.
>>>Maybe a checking. 
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>--- In fairfieldlife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>that
 is an excellent description, Barry - I never thought of TM as a drug 
with side effects but I reckon that is what it is. Like a soma pill, 
with side efects!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>________________________________
>>>> From: turquoiseb <no_re...@yahoogroups.com>
>>>>To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com 
>>>>Sent: Friday, September 20, 2013 3:30 AM
>>>>Subject: [FairfieldLife] Re: Mitchell Kapor
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>  
>>>>--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, turquoiseb <no_reply@...> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Michael Jackson <mjackson74@> 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > So during the course nothing substantive was done for 
>>>>>> > these folks? I mean beyond telling them to do more 
>>>>>> > asanas or something?
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Depends on the course. On small ATR courses, no
>>>>>> nothing in particular was really done. On larger
>>>>>> courses, they might have been referred to one of
>>>>>> the resident quacks...uh...I mean doctors. 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> But it was clear that no real effort was made to
>>>>>> help any of these people who were twitching 
>>>>>> uncontrollably or having symptoms that looked
>>>>>> for all the world like Tourette syndrome or 
>>>>>> worse, because the prevailing myth was always
>>>>>> "TM is 100% life supporting." No one was willing
>>>>>> to go up against that and add, "...for many 
>>>>>> people, but for others, it may cause problems."
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Anyone I ever spoke to who was going through this
>>>>>> commented on the "Blame the victim" mentality they
>>>>>> were exposed to. It was always, "What are YOU 
>>>>>> doing wrong that this is happening to you? We
>>>>>> all 'know' that it 'shouldn't' be happening."
>>>>>
>>>>>Just to follow up, Michael, here's the essential
>>>>>conundrum posed by all of this. I worked for some
>>>>>time in the West Coast Regional Office of the TMO,
>>>>>arranging all the weekend and longer residence 
>>>>>courses. On the one hand, we were told by MMY's
>>>>>core dogma that TM was "100% life supporting," and
>>>>>that it could not *possibly* have any negative 
>>>>>effects. Simply can't happen. 
>>>>>
>>>>>On the other hand, as part of what we did for the
>>>>>TMO, we were asked to tell the course leaders and 
>>>>>course participants that while they were on the
>>>>>course, they could not drive, they could not even
>>>>>leave the facility, on longer courses they could 
>>>>>not go anywhere even on the facility grounds unless 
>>>>>they were accompanied by their "buddy," and that
>>>>>they definitely shouldn't make any important
>>>>>decisions while they were on the course because
>>>>>their judgment might be impaired. 
>>>>>
>>>>>If a drug had that many admitted side effects,
>>>>>you wouldn't be able to sell it without a 
>>>>>prescription. 
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>
>>


 

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