Richard, maybe I understand this because I'm so good at savasana (-:
On Thursday, October 10, 2013 8:47 AM, Richard J. Williams <[email protected]> wrote: The Wisdom tradition is very ancient. "May the Goddess Saraswati, with all power, full of power, further us, as the guide of our minds." - Rig Veda VI. 61.9, 11, 3 The Saraswati bija mantra IS Sri Saraswati - Pure Intelligence, Sri Vidya, - Auspicious Wisdom. The Saraswati bija, because it consists of indestructible seed syllables (bijaksara) rather than words, transcends such mundane considerations as deity or semantic meaning or gender. Accordingly, the Saraswati bija mantra is not merely esoteric, but inherently superior to all gods, goddesses, dieties, demi-gods or devatas. Share seems to understands this; Uncle Tantra, maybe not. Go figure. Read more: 'Exploring Meditation' Master the Ancient Art of Relaxation and Enlightenment By Susan G. Shumsky New Page Books, 2001 On 10/10/2013 6:25 AM, Share Long wrote: >turq, you and everybody else are simply celebrating forms of feminine wisdom. >But your forms of that are called Maya, Messy Nessy, Susan wayback and Jane >Fonda whereas some call it Saraswati. And logic dictates that there is at >least one human out of the billions who celebrate feminine wisdom in the form >of Miley Cyrus! In each case, a human is giving their positive attention to an >experience of theirs. Yes there is a difference in what evokes that >experience. That is for some it is an actual person Maya; for some it is a >video clip Miley; for some it is an online person wayback Susan; for others it >is a devotional picture Saraswati. I bet there are even those who experience >Saraswati as three dimensionally as you experience Maya. I think whether we >call it bowing down or surrendering or aligning or celebrating or adoring or >admiring, when we give our positive attention to anyone, what is truly funny >is that we are really giving it to ourselves also. > > > > > > >On Thursday, October 10, 2013 3:05 AM, turquoiseb <[email protected]> >wrote: > > >--- In [email protected], iranitea wrote: >> >> "Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah!" >> >> Barry, I had this extra experience of becoming TM teacher two times. The first time I was only 20, and became only a student initiator, so I got only mantras 1-9. 4 years later I became full initiator, had to rehearse all the teaching material, and then got the full teacher initiation together with all others, now getting mantras 10-16. This in itself was a revelation, for as we got the student mantras 1-8, we got this extra mantra, 9, with which we could initiate in exceptional cases elder persons, that is any age beyond what we were usually allowed to teach. >> >> Now I learned that 9 was just the next mantra, assigned to the next age range. While listening to Maharishi pronouncing and explaining this on tape, you write this all down on a paper, and have three days to memorize them, and then must destroy the paper. Hearing and learning the new mantras, I couldn't get this song out of my head: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnNzDzPzI44 > > >I can certainly understand the humor you found in this situation. :-) >In my post I was trying to find some in the WHOLE CONCEPT >of these "fertilizer words" associated with TM "advanced techniques." > >Since we all know now (despite the efforts of obfuscators on this >forum) what these "fertilizer words" MEAN, as well as the Hindu >gods and goddesses that the original TM bija mantras are assoc- >iated with, we can easily come up with a MEANING for this >mantra. And I think that if people can "step back" from their >TM indoctrination long enough, they might be able to find some >humor in the situation as we have. > >Let me use an example to illustrate my point. Suppose you were >seeking a boon or a favor from some famous person. But suppose >that *in order to gain that person's favors* they required you to >address them as (using a timely example): > >"Glorious glorious Miley Cyrus, I bow down to you, I bow >down to you!" > >Doesn't quite "sit right," does it? I mean, who does this Miley >Cyrus babe *think she is*, to expect to be addressed thusly? >Even more, would you really *want* a favor or boon from some- >one so petty and so ego-driven as to *expect* to be addressed >that way and treated that way? > >Now do a simple word substitution, and see what TMers have >*no problem* thinking many times a day (goddess chosen >from the original mantra example being discussed) in their >"advanced technique" practice: > >"Glorious glorious Saraswat1, I bow down to you, I bow >down to you!" > >Oh, but you may say, "Hey! Foul! It's not fair to compare a >*goddess* to Miley Cyrus." > >Isn't it? If you bristle at Miley Cyrus feeling as if she should >be addressed that way to grant you a favor (say, an autograph), >how is that so different than goddess Saraswati expecting to >be addressed that way to grant you the favor of transcendence, >or enlightenment? > >I think it's a Good Thing to "step back" from the conditioning >every so often, and look at things from a different point of >view, devoid of the "explanations" ("thought stoppers" you've >been told about them in the past. Things are *funnier* that >way, and we all need a little funny in our lives. :-) :-) :-) > > >> ---In [email protected], [email protected] wrote: >> >> --- In [email protected] mailto:[email protected], >> Bhairitu wrote: >> > >> > Aing is the bija. The advanced technique is a long form mantra with >> > extra samput added. >> >> So 'samput' is like a kind of spiritual cheerleader squad, to give >> the bija team some extra ooomph? >> >> "Gimme a Shri, gimme a Shri, gimme a Namah Namah Namah!" >> >> Would we call them the Pushpam Girls? (initiator joke) >> >> :-) >> >> > On 10/09/2013 10:16 AM, Michael Jackson wrote: >> > > >> > > that's an interesting theory - I'd like to see the bird that has a >> > > call of Shri Shri Aing Namah Namah! > > > >
