--- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> --- In [email protected], "off_world_beings" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> wrote:
> > > --- In [email protected], "authfriend" 
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > wrote:
> > > > --- In [email protected], "off_world_beings" 
> > > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > --- In [email protected], "sparaig" 
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
> > > wrote:
> > > > <snip>
> > > > > > The "goal" is inherent in the system.>>.
> > > > > 
> > > > > 'System' means 'intelligence'.
> > > > 
> > > > Aieee, no.  It can be used that way, but it can
> > > > also be used without any implication of intelligence.
> > > 
> > > All systems have intelligence related to them in some way. 
> > However, is 
> > > the intelligence imposing order during its analysis of 
> > the "system," or 
> > > did an intelligence impose order in the *design* of the system?
> > 
> > Good question. The universe is the only (theoretically ) closed 
> > system . Whatever arises from it must be an illusion about it, 
> > unless it is inherently embued with intelligence by its very own 
> > simplest nature as an self- interacting existence.
> > 
> > I believe this is the Vedic view  (and is what Maharishi 
> > describes) , which ID proponents and anti-ID proponents cannot 
> > grasp.
> 
> FWIW, I think that too.

Me too.  I'm also a thoroughgoing evolutionist, and
I'm rabidly against ID being taught in schools anywhere
but in a philosophy class.






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