One reason I asked if it was seasonal is it is the vata season and pain is often related to vata going high. So sometimes just so vata reducing herbs can help. I figured if it was chronic you would have checked with your health care system, not that conventional medicine does that well with pain (usually just want to give you pain drugs rather than deal with the cause). Even in CC pain would be annoying.

On 11/10/2013 11:37 AM, wrote:

Re "if you drink too much coffee but you're a UK tea drinker, right?":

I am a tea drinker - but always decaffeinated!

My back is much better today - thanks for advice given. It was really the general principle I was curious about.

I suppose the only long-term solution is to attain permanent CC - then you won't need to meditate and can no doubt view your chronic pain with indifference. That's the theory anyway - MMY always claimed that Jesus never suffered. He was unknowingly echoing the heresy of Docetism which held that Jesus was a man in the flesh, but Christ was a separate entity, who entered Jesus’ body at his baptism and abandoned him on his death on the Cross.

Mohammed agreed:

That they said (in boast), “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah”—but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not—nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise.” (Qur’an, 4:157-158).

---In, <noozguru@...> wrote:

In my "non TM" tantric tradition, if something interferes with meditation then it is not worth taking time to meditate as the meditation will be unproductive unless for some reason it mitigates the pain. Is this pain chronic or seasonal? Where is it located? Lower back pain can indicate irritated kidneys especially if you drink too much coffee but you're a UK tea drinker, right?

    On 11/09/2013 06:22 PM, s3raphita@... <mailto:s3raphita@...> wrote:

I mentioned on a recent thread that I've got back pain at the moment. (A rarity for me.) Actually "pain" is way too strong a word - it's just an irritating ache which lasts all day but I don't notice it when I'm distracted - or when I do my TM session.

What I wanted to ask was: is it the case that those suffering from *chronic* pain (the kind of pain that even pain-killers can't completely eradicate) can still practise TM? Does anyone have any experience of that situation?

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