FWIW, the Eucharist can be a deeply spiritual experience for devout Christians, especially Catholics, not so much of the "emotionally enthusiastic" sort but more private and internal.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <yifuxero@...> wrote: (basic rationale can also be applied to Christianity but without much success). ... I made a quick inventory of what elements make programs successful, restricted to Traditions derived or evolved from (what Westerners call): Hinduism, and Buddhism; also inclusive of Indian subcontinent Traditions in which there is no expressed allegiance to any other lineage; but which obviously are related to typically "religious" groups. .. Examples: MMY and the various TM programs: (basically technique oriented with ritualistic overtones derived from a "Holy Tradition"; so we include and examine this in the light of the checklist I came up with.: CHECKLIST: 1. Devotion - to a Guru or Deity 2. Shakti (ie.is Shakti present ? (You'll have to use your Shakti meter on this one!) 3. Rituals 4. An ancient language capable of acting as a "carrier" for the Shakti, such as Skt, Sino-Japanese, Hebrew, etc... 5. Mantras: repeated silently, outloud, or as japa.... ....5b. also includes the mechanism of repeating the mantra such as degree of "hard" concentration, etc. 6. Breathing techniques with activation of the chakras 7. Group programs available? (may include you-tube presentations) 8. Regular practices leading to goals 9. an "elevated" Guru preferably without moral blemish. 10. Yagyas designed to mitigate bad karma. .... Now we can select some groups, then evaluate them in light of the checklist. I note - on mantras, MMY's programs are deficient in japa, whereas SSRS recommends the repetition of the Gayatri Mantra. The TMO doesn't object to the devotional element, which is up to the individual. On the downside, the TMO may likewise miss out on the opportunity to strongly support one devotional icon as opposed to others. On the latter basis coupled with #9, Christianity has basically taken over 1/3 of the world without having strong contributions in some of the other places. ... In regard to Christianity, I'd say that on the whole, it's woefully indequate, particularly in the Shakti category. However, there's plenty of emotional enthusiasm in some of the Christian sections, particularly among the Evangelicals. However, an abundance of emotional enthusiasm is no substitute for the Shaki that allows for "transcendence". ... In my experience, the most intense Shakti site is the Ramakrishna Temple in Hollywood, CA. ... The evil sects can also be evaluated using the checklist, with probable failure in the moral development of the leader. However, even with minor moral deficiencies, some Traditions can be quite successful,.....up to a point!.. ... http://www.youtube.com/user/RajshriSoul?v=0D3VbBoJBrM http://www.youtube.com/user/RajshriSoul?v=0D3VbBoJBrM
