The real question might be re-phrased this way: Why would anyone take
the word of a guy dressed in a white bed sheet, looking just like a
flower salesman, to leave home to work for free as kitchen help and live
in a pod for two cold winters at a religious school up in Iowa and never
even attempt a single course?
I mean, come on! There's got to be more to this story than the guy was
just real dumb. This story has all the earmarks of someone who got fired
for being a bad baker, or worse.
He didn't even know where the mantras come from; what they meant; or
even what to do with one when he got it. If he didn't even know where
the secret word came from, he could have been invoking Beezlebub for two
or more years!
Come to think of it, maybe that's his problem. LoL!
Face it - it's not everyday that you get someone to pay you money and
work you butt off for a non-sense gibberish syllable and then get you to
repeat it religiously hour on hour for three years, when you don't even
know what the hell you're mumbling to yourself. By any definition this
would amount to brainwashing. or at least a trance induction state.
Go figure.
On 12/6/2013 12:34 PM, [email protected] wrote:
What were the forces in your life that led to your being deceived so
badly? Having found yourself in that situation, and then realising
that you needed to extract yourself from it, it would seem reasonable
to ask what factors resulted in such gullibility in the first place.
Parents, educational systems contribute to this. Politicians certainly
do not want you to be able to think clearly. It is harder to control
people who have mental tools to see through deceptions, but it also
takes a bit of learning to develop them; we do not seem to be born
with them intact, we seem to have an innate capacity for
self-deception right from the start.
It does not seem there have been many studies of TM and the TMSP that
have been designed to determine if they are effective in specific ways
of social interaction. The movement does not seem to care for studies
that show how many people stop praciticing its techniques. We all have
personal accounts of some people becoming somewhat 'better' after
learning TM but is that because of TM or the effect of peer pressure
and belief that TM is doing this? And there is the opposite, people
that seemed fairly 'normal' becoming total assholes after learning
these things. The same things happen in other movements. So what is at
work here? Do we really know anything to an extent that we can
determine a cause?
If you got burned in the TM movement, one can postulate many
antecedent causes leading up to that. How do you choose which one to
blame and why is that choice the correct one, what sort of criterion
or criteria makes that choice probably right? Do you have a choice? -
Do those thought about how bad it all was just come streaming out on
their own, effortlessly, spontaneously?
---In [email protected], <mjackson74@...> wrote:
I know that there is still the mind set that no matter what M may have
done that wasn't ethical, the effect of TM and TMSP is so good and so
powerful, it is best to ignore or rationalize that the negative or
dark side of M and the Movement is outweighed by the vast positive
benefit to the individual and the world.
I know there is that mind set but I don't agree with it. I do not see
any evidence the group practice of TMSP is having any kind of effect
of offsetting the "negative" energy around the world. If you take the
current state of the world as evidence of Marshy effect then it is
clear the Marshy Effect is either non-existent or a colossal failure.
I have come to feel that TM itself seems to work well for a couple
years and then for some reason the positive benefits seem to fade
away. I mean even old timers like Rick don't just strictly do TM -
they do other stuff. If TM is so fabulous, people would not step away
from it.
There have been too many suicides, too many mental breakdowns and too
many high ups in the Movement whose behavior is the opposite of what
you would expect from folks practicing daily the royal technique for
enlightenment. That last is of great importance to me. I don't feel
you can make the grandiose claims for a mental technique and have the
actual results be totally off base or totally different than what is
promised and still legitimately believe the technique will do what is
claimed for it.
When the people who have been doing TMSP the longest behave in the
arrogant, elitist, unethical manner I have seen in people like
Hagelin, Morris, Greg Wilson, Susan Humphries, Chris Crowell, Neal
Patterson, Bill Sands, Reed Martin and so on and so forth I see that
the TMSP has had the OPPOSITE effect on their behavior that it should
have had.
So while I admire your desire to change the world, it won't change
through folks doing TM and TMSP - if it was going to do so, it would
already have done it.
The state to the world today is a testament to Marshy's monumental
failure to make significant changes in world consciousness through his
programs. Of course, I believe his real program was to make himself
into a demigod in people's minds, make tons of money for himself and
his family and get laid a whole bunch while he was still young enough
to enjoy it, so he actually did have the effect he wanted to have, it
just wasn't the effect he promoted in public.
