Richard, or it might be like a Rumi poem! Happy New Year: Out beyond ideas of wrongdoing and rightdoing, there is a field.
I'll meet you there. When the soul lies down in that grass, the world is too full to talk about. Ideas, language - even the phrase "each other" - do not make any sense. On Monday, December 30, 2013 9:49 PM, Richard Williams <pundits...@gmail.com> wrote: > Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, > it's pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. > Share, It' s like a Zen koan: "Wind flag, mind moves, The same understanding. When the mouth opens All are wrong." - Mumon On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:53 AM, Share Long <sharelon...@yahoo.com> wrote: > >Richard, my pastoral counselor and her husband really like Wayne Liquorman. I >think Rick has interviewed him. I like Francis Lucille and advaita in general. > >I think the operative principle in all this is knowledge is structured in >consciousness. Meaning, unless one's words have a huge amount of shakti, it's >pointless to tell a person in duality that it's all one. That simply creates >cognitive dissonance. > >OTOH, I have been experiencing that big T Truth can move mountains. Of stress >that is! (-: > > > > > > > >On Monday, December 30, 2013 8:38 AM, Richard Williams <pundits...@gmail.com> >wrote: > > >First came One. It's a leap of metaphysical theorizing to imagine that there >is more than One real. Let's be logical: > > > >If there were three or more reals instead of One, there would be three or more >truths, three or more ultimate realities, and three or more Selfs. But, what >do you suppose would cause a person to think there are three are more reals >instead of only One? > > >If there were three or more reals, then a person would have three or more >soul-monads, instead of just One Soul. If so, then how would you know your >Self? Which one would it be - Self number one, Self number two or Self number >three, or more Selfs than you could count. That would be confusing if you >didn't know which Self you were. You might want to eat, but the other Self >might get the food, then Self number one would go about as a hungry ghost. In >fact, there is only One truth, the one you really are, your Self. All three >other selfs are just an appearance only. > > >Do we agree so far? > > >In fact, the only reason anyone would think there are three or more reals >would be if they were told it by someone or they read about it somewhere. >People don't usually go about imagining that they are three people - it's not >natural and not given in experience. Actually, to imagine that you are three >people is abnormal, and this abnormal view is usually gained through >intellectual theorizing. Most people don't naturally feel that they have three >heads and six arms. So, just give up this idea that you are three persons, >give up the idea of "I" and "mine" and just do your duty - by your Self. > > >"Real renunciation is the giving up of "I" and mine, not the mere abandoning >of duties." - Dattatreya Upanishad > > >Nagarjuna's Law of the Excluded Middle: > > > >In reality all phenomena are empty of 'own nature'. There is no 'essence' of >things. Things and events and objects have no intrinsic reality apart from >conditions. There is dependent origination but no causation - things do not >arise from causes; things and events are not created or destroyed; there is no >movement. Form is emptiness, emptiness is form. All truth statements are >conventional. > > >Change is impossible; things do not move and one thing does not become another >thing. Suffering, actions, bodies, doers, and results are all unreal. Time is >unreal because present and future are all relative. The Seven States of >Consciousness are also unreal. There is neither suffering nor its causation >nor a path to its cessation. The three gunas are unreal and there is neither >the movement, nor the technique, nor the MMY. Birth, death, suffering and >Nirvana itself is an illusion too. > > >Antinomies, dialectics and the four-cornered negation: > > >Sankara and his followers, like Nagarjuna and his followers, say that none of >the four forms is applicable to the phenomenal world or any of its objects >absolutely, because the phenomenal world is a world of relativity. > > >"Not this, That, and neither" - Wallah Sutra 1.6. > > >According to Gaudapadacharya, there is One only. There is no creation; no >destruction; no coming to be, and no ceasing to be. Things do not change, >neither do they move about or stay the same. Things and events are an >illusion, not real, yet not unreal. The Transcendental Consciousness is the >only Reality. Liberation is the way to avoid the results of actions and to be >free. > > > >Adwaita In a nutshell: > > > >According to Liquorman, writing on Adwaita, there are three issues that must >be understood in order to understand Adwaita: The realization that there are >*not two*, the realization that things and events are an *illusion*, and the >*dispelling of illusion* by process of experiential pure consciousness. > > > >The metaphor of a burning firebrand that is waved in a circle, which creates >an illusion of a continuous circle of fire has been used to describe the >non-dual realization, which when experienced in reality, becomes just a series >of point-instants of perception. > > >Works cited:: > > >'Consciousness Speaks' >Conversations with Ramesh S. Balsekar >by Ramesh S. Balsekar and Wayne Liquorman >Advaita Press, 1992 > > >'The Book of One: The Spiritual Path of Advaita' >by Dennis Waite >O Books, 2004 > > >'Dispelling Illusion' >Gaudapada's Alatasanti >Douglas A. Fox >State University of New York Press, 1993 > > > >
