Alright Buck what's the cultural context, other than the artificial one the
Movement and M himself created? The stories of M when alive were always mixed -
even those who think well of him like Deepak Chopra talk sometimes about his
temper tantrums, his petulance, his superstitious behavior but they dismissed
these obvious signs of lack of full enlightenment as some sort of
inconsequential things or a role playing deal he did for the benefit of his
followers.
One has also to look at the effects he had in the world and on people. Not a
single one of his STATED goals were ever reached. Lets not forget that for
years he taught the goal of TM was enlightenment, Buck, enlightenment, not
world peace, not flying, not changing your home's orientation on the land but
enlightenment.
For all the people in Fairfield and elsewhere who claim to be in CC or beyond
and are seeing angels and devas, no one can be said to be enlightened. During
his lifetime only Robin C and Andy Rhymer were said by M to be enlightened,
which shows that whatever you may think of M's enlightenment, it must have been
asleep when he claimed these two were in the same place.
Here are some of the definitions of enlightenment Marshy himself put forth in
the Gita commentary.
“...produces life-supporting effects for the doer and for the entire
creation...is possible only when man’s mind is in complete harmony with the
transcendent Being...This is the case in CC...right action is automatically
carried out.” (p.276)
“In such a state a man’s every thought, word and action produce a
life-supporting influence for himself and for the whole universe. This is a
state of life where no wrong action is possible.” (p.308-309)
“All actions are given over naturally to the divine Being and all attachments
are abandoned naturally when, through the practice of TM, the mind rises to the
level of divine consciousness and maintains it permanently. When the self has
completely separated itself from activity, then a situation is created in which
the authorship of action becomes automatically transferred to the universal
Being.
Untouched by sin means free from any wrong; a life that is completely
harmless, being in accordance with the laws of nature. This state is gained in
CC...It is in this state that actions are motivated by the power of Nature
responsible for all creation an evolution. That is why they all produce
life-supporting effects and no wrong is possible.” (p.344-345)
“...who is established in the absolute purity of Being, completely
separate from the field of activity. His actions being completely in
accordance with the laws of nature, they are free from blemish.” (p.438)
“...the state of a realized man is the result of many years of inner
development founded on right values in life. This causes his life to flow
naturally in right channels of conduct. Although his Being is above the realms
of right and wrong, his actions are quite naturally right actions.. (p.218-219)
Show me one person who fits any of this in its entirety. Not one person
enlightened in 60 years of TM and TMSP.
In addition, M always said not only does an enlightened man perform right
action, he gets support from all the laws of Nature - not only were there never
any enlightened people produced from TM , not a single one of M's avowed goals
were ever met. World peace being the largest goal, but none of his smaller
goals such as establishment of proper sized groups to CREATE world peace, the
build projects and so forth. None of them were ever successfully done - a
project would be announced funds solicited, a year or tow or three later
another project would be announced, no mention made of the previous project,
nor any mention of what happened to the funds taken in for the previous project.
One can also look at the effects of M's efforts - there are satisfied customers
to be sure but you have to balance that with the number of those who quit TM (I
Mean if its a spiffy as advertised, how could we???) the number of those who
attempted suicide, the number of those who successfully committed suicide
including a number of those on Purusha, those who have become functionally
dysfunctional who can't hold a job or function well in regular society - many
of them are on staff at various Movement facilities. These are the grey tones
you refer to Bucky.
So rather than seeing M's effects in the world as the actions of an enlightened
man who always performed right action and received support from all the laws of
nature, you come up with a very mixed bag. A bag that has some positive effects
in some people's individual lives and some very negative effects in others
individual lives and NO discernible effects in society at large except for
organizations the TMO and Lynch Foundation which serve mainly to raise money
for themselves. That's the cultural context of Marshy's life and legacy.
You tend to the safety of the souls of your sheep and let me tend to mine.
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On Sat, 1/25/14, dhamiltony...@yahoo.com <dhamiltony...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [FairfieldLife] We warmly invite you to join us for a weekend
To: FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com
Date: Saturday, January 25, 2014, 4:39 AM
Anartaxius; Lack of stability, not
necessarily. You are making that up and projecting it.
As a meditating Iowa livestock man I got my spiritual
feet on the ground in life proly more than most meditators
around here. Context is everything when people quote
like MJ is trying to do on Maharishi. Think what you like
but Maharishi was an extremely important guru to the world
in the 20th and now 21st Centuries. MJ just spouting
something without cultural context like he perpetrates is
being spiritually vile. Frankly I am concerned about
MJ's eternal soul. MJ is way too black and white
without any attempt at showing understanding (empathy) of
the grey tones. His attack on Maharishi for some quote
pulled out of the air shows a lack of perspective.. that
seems willful and aggressive to some bitter end.
MJ's comments deserves to be deleted to protect
virtue and MJ from further sin. So, I have taken them
out again below.-Buck
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <anartaxius@...>
wrote:
If
Michael J has pointed out things M really said, this does
not reflect on you Buck as a love of truth. Maharishi did
really seem to have a totalitarian mindset, a top down,
there is a king, under whom there are subjects, subject to
the will of the king. If M praised Hitler and you would
desire that it be lied about, either a lie of commission or
a lie omission, why should I or anyone follow your
advice?
Gurus
have warts. If what they have to teach has value, it is not
because of their personal quirks, it is because what they
teach has a value beyond individual concerns. You take what
is of value, but if you push away an individual's dark
side as if it did not exist, that is not realistic, that is
self deception. Hitler's influence on the world was not
very life supporting in the end.
But
there are those pearly teeth on the dead dog in the gutter.
He was not a great artist, but he was a better artist than
Winston Churchill, or Dwight Eisenhower, who also painted,
as well as engineering Hitler's defeat. Maharishi seems
to have appreciated his organising power, his penchant for
order and systems, his top down style of management, which
resembles more the Joseph Stalin school of management rather
than say, Thomas Jefferson's preferences for individual
freedom.
In
the interest of reality, I restored MJ's comments below
(and by the way, taking offense shows a lack of stability,
it means that others could use that characteristic to
control your behaviour by pushing your
buttons):
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <Buck>
wrote:
Om Dear MJ, that is an appalling
blaspheme that you may burn in hell for. As a practicing
conservative
Transcendental Meditation meditator and satisfied customer
of the Maharishi, I am
completely offended by your comments. I am going to delete
your
words from this thread right now to save you from your sin
damaging your spiritual subtle system any further.
Kindly,
and of the Love that is the Natural Law of the Unified
Field,
your Friend,
-Buck
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <mjackson74@...>
wrote:
MJ's
Comments [Deleted]
[restored][Deleted]
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