On 2/6/2014 7:13 AM, salyavin808 wrote:
*The idea that there is a vast intelligence behind nature is ridiculous.*
You are going to have to put a lot of effort into refuting the philosophers like Kant and Shankara. There is every reason to believe, based on logic that the physical universe can never be known by the mind of the human intellect.

So given that, we postulate, based on inference, that there is a certain order in the universe. Everywhere we see order in the world. We observe with the senses that everything is based on causation - there is a reason that things happen.

So, based on this observation, we INFER that there must be a causative agent. And, since we are possessed of consciousness, we further infer that the causative agent is an intelligent agent. We do this so as to avoid the regressus ad infinitum -- infinite regress: if there is nothing, then there's nothing to discuss. If there is causation there must have been a First Cause.

It's just that dialoging about the spirit world that is beyond the senses is much more interesting than talking about mundane events - for that, you can go to your nearest pub or bowling alley. FFL is all about the transcendental spirit world. Go figure.

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