---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <steve.sundur@...> wrote:
I admit, I found it awfully strange that when Robin first came on board he had
that "wall of words" manner of writing. It seemed like a rather large blind
spot on his part, since it made what he wrote almost unreadable.
And I remember Barry 2 speaking up, and then Robin started breaking things
into paragraphs.
Now, I guess Judy did clue me into one aspect of his writing, that is, his
12,000 word posts were written for posterity, if I understand it correctly.
As I understand it, Robin decided to venture onto FFL as a result of an
invitation (from Rick?) and as an exercise, a sort of meta therapeutic
venturing forth in the form of this internet forum. I don't think he had really
investigated this type of format before other than for a few months on the alt.
blahdadeblah (can't remember the name) forum. Judy will know all this history.
But I don't think he wrote what he did at FFL for "posterity". This was pretty
much an exercise for his own benefit. At least that is how I remember him
talking about it.
---In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, <turquoiseb@...> wrote:
--- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
>
> I was raised to not let anyone bully me. So in the late 1960s when
> there were all kinds of "cult leader" types I just blew them off. When
> Robin showed up here you may recall I told him in a message to break up
> his wall of words as I felt that people might be interested in what he
> had to say. To me a "wall of words" shows worse than misspellings that
> the writer is ignorant or poorly educated.
It's not necessarily an education thang. Some people are simply not aware of
the short attention spans of Internet- and soundbyte-impaired readers these
days. They find it almost impossible to read a Wall Of Words. Therefore, if you
wish to communicate, you use shorter paragraphs.
However, according to my friend the psychiatrist who is an expert on
Narcissistic Personality Disorder, writing in Wall Of Words style -- especially
when you see it happening in someone who has been well educated -- is one of
the key markers they look for when diagnosing NPD. Wall Of Words writers don't
CARE if they're communicating, and neither do NPD writers.
> Then at one point he went
> off on one of my posts and finished by saying "now tell me you love
> me." I thought "wha...?" Rather than berate such cult leader like
> behavior I treated it like a joke and told him how funny he was. That
> seemed to throw him off his game. :-D
>
> I feel sorry for someone who can't shed the need to feel important.
> There may indeed be no cure for someone with severe NPD. When someone
> dares order me around in person I just stare at them. That really fucks
> them up.
We're both lucky in having avoided the Boss Syndrome for much of our lives.
There is a certain freedom in being a consultant that helps when dealing with
life's Petty Tyrants. My friend the shrink was familiar with the works of
Carlos Castaneda, and he referred to Carlos' descriptions of the Petty Tyrant
often when teaching me about NPD.
> On 02/11/2014 12:09 AM, TurquoiseB wrote:
> >
> > --- In FairfieldLife@yahoogroups.com, Bhairitu wrote:
> > >
> > > I'm glad I went back to check out the remaining episodes of season one
> > > of "The Following" on Netflix. I had bailed after episode three because
> > > it seemed to formulaic. Perhaps Bacon was thinking that too as the
> > > storylines improved over the remainder of the season. But now I'm
> > > caught up on the first three episodes of season two they are pushing
> > the
> > > envelope farther.
> >
> > */Glad to hear it...I think it's an interesting series. Naturally,
> > given the three-year tutelage I spent talking with my psychiatrist
> > friend in Santa Fe who used to specialize in NPD (before he gave it
> > up, experience having taught him that the disorder was untreatable), I
> > think the series kinda nails it. Also naturally, I see some strong
> > parallels between the TV show and what's going on lately on Fairfield
> > Life.
> >
> > My friend understood immediately my interest in his former specialty,
> > and spend considerable time talking with me and giving me textbooks to
> > read about NPD, so that we could discuss my particular interest -- NPD
> > and how it relates to the "spiritual teacher" or "faux spiritual
> > teacher." They were great discussions, and I learned much from them.
> >
> > Now, of course, the Joe Carroll character in "The Following" is not a
> > one-to-one match for Robin Carlsen (or Rama, or any of the other
> > NPD-impaired teachers we discussed). Joe is a true psychopath, one who
> > has allowed such free rein to his NPD that he's become a mass
> > murderer. But it's all three of their *tactics* when dealing with
> > their followers that interests me, and in which I see a strong parallel.
> >
> > The person with NPD doesn't *have* a fixed history or "story." He or
> > she *makes it up as they go along*. They *tailor* what they say to
> > what the follower or prospective follower wants to hear, telling them
> > things "that they can't tell anyone else," making them feel "special,"
> > as if "no one really understands them" the way that the person being
> > talked or written to does. Many people -- desperate for attention and
> > "specialness" -- fall for this routine, and actually *believe* the
> > stories being told to them. But none of them are true. They're just
> > tactics to get -- and keep -- another person "in their fold" and on
> > the hook.
> >
> > Now that it's finally been revealed that Robin conducted his cult
> > indoctrination/recruitment number not only in public on FFL but
> > individually (via "private email"), isn't it easier to understand Judy
> > and Ann's near-psychotic devotion to him? Chances are in each of those
> > emails he "tailored" what he said to each of them differently, playing
> > off of each of their weaknesses and needs to make them feel "special,"
> > and thus cause them to develop an allegiance with him. According to
> > Judy, he told her he was "near suicide" several times; does anyone
> > suspect that he didn't tell that to anyone else because he perceived
> > that as *her* weakness and samskara, and was "tailoring" his spiel to
> > her to make her feel "special?" And, of course, it worked. He probably
> > told different things to Ann to get *her* to feel just as "devoted."
> >
> > The thing about Narcissistic Personality Disorder -- ironically, given
> > Judy's hangup about lies and truth -- is that the truly NPD-afflicted
> > personality is *incapable* of "truth." EVERYTHING they say is a lie,
> > fabricated in the moment to "tailor" their spiel to the perceived
> > target they're trying to make feel "special." Judy is an "easy mark."
> > There has never been a person who CARES more about what other people
> > think of her on FFL than Judy Stein. Almost *all* of her posts are
> > about trying to force other people to see her the way that she sees
> > herself. In other words, she's budding NPD herself. Ann has more than
> > a little attention-seeking driving her as well, so she became another
> > "easy mark," even though *her own past history* with the guy should
> > have tipped her off as to how meaningless anything he says to her
> > really is.
> >
> > This is really my only interest in Robin Woolworth's Carlsen. Given my
> > tutelage in NPD, its symptoms, and its unique ways of acting itself
> > out, I nailed him as NPD from his first "wall of words" solipsistic
> > posts. Had it not been for their weaknesses -- trying to find an
> > "ally" in their silly "war" against their "enemies" here on FFL --
> > Judy and Ann might have seen these traits as well. But they didn't.
> > Instead, they became followers.
> >
> > And they still are. Between the two of them, they have made 182 posts
> > this "posting week," in just over 72 hours, all but a few of them
> > about Robin Carlsen -- trying to "defend" him, trying to "explain" his
> > oh-so-fabulous beliefs and theories, trying to "get" those who don't
> > like him and somehow get other people on the forum to discount what
> > they say.
> >
> > I call this cult behavior, and more specifically, behavior generated
> > as the result of being "played" by a person suffering from
> > Narcissistic Personality Disorder. Judy and Ann are the *victims*
> > here, and as such (and as human beings) deserve our pity. Their
> > *methods*, however, deserve to be pointed out and either made fun of
> > or questioned. They *really can't see* how far gone they are into
> > these Robin fantasies they try to share with us. Both of them seem to
> > imagine actual *relationships* with this guy, based on a few chat
> > posts and emails. One of these women never met the guy, and the other
> > hasn't seen him in 30 years, but they've been convinced by his NPD
> > spiel that "only they really know him." Sad, sad, sad.
> > /*
> >
> >
>
